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Originally Posted by roachboy
so either you don't know what capitalism is, dk or the special language that libertarians use to talk about things is so confusing that it creates the impression that you don't.
"corporatism" is what most of the world refers to capitalism since, say, 1870, so since the development of publicly offered stock. or maybe since the 1880s and affirmation of the corporate person. it's definitely a us-centered pseudo-history.
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I would actually state the claim that you don't know what capitalism is, that or your insane hatred of it is clouding your judgement of it. Or you could be trying to use your pseudo-intellectual professor mumbo jumbo talk to confuse the terms on purpose.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
corporations and the state are intertwined. big scary and out of control i assume.
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isn't that fascism?
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Originally Posted by roachboy
so before that, there was this other thing, which is apparently capitalism?
but if the distinction above holds, then capitalism isn't steel production, say. because that's "corporatism"?
what's even more confusing is that corporatism has a meaning already. it refers to organic theories of the division of labor modelled more or less on a nostalgia saturated image of the guild system. it was dear to italian catholic fascists in the 1920s-1930s. it's pretty well known, that meaning. whence the static the insistence on libertarian private language generates.
capitalism, then. how do you define it? separation of ownership from production? standardization of production processes? tendency to exploit economies of scale? alienation? wage labor?
or is it just the reverse of "corporatism" (bad)? so a synonym for "good"?
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more attempts to obfuscate and confuse the terms. I refuse to play the game you're setting up. you know what capitalism is, you know what corporatism is, and you know what fascism and totalitarianism is. accept it or continue to use deception to further your socialism, it's up to you. most people can easily ignore your tripe.