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First, the 4% figure, even if true, includes stimulus spending and inventory replacement.
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There's no if. It's true. You're not entitled to your own facts.
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Second, Obama's stimulus program was in the range of $750 billion. Even attributing the growth in the economy entirely to the stimulus, with a $14 trillion GDP in 2009, that's about $560 billion return on $750 billion spending. So does Obama intend to adopt the old business maxim of taking a loss on every sale but making it up in volume?
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That's a $560b return SO FAR. Unless we've reached the end of the republic and no one told me, the economy will continue to benefit from the stimulus for the foreseeable future. The fact we've already gotten such a return should be silencing critics.
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Third, there were numerous articles at the time cash for clunkers ended and the homebuyer's credit ended about the resulting drop in revenue. Some stimulus. More like borrowing against future sales.
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Tell that to auto workers that managed to keep their jobs. Overall, the net benefit intended by Cash for Clunkers was reached. Sales were higher even after the program than projected by organizations like Edmunds. That's food on the tables of a lot of auto workers' families.
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Fourth, if this was like a chipmunk trying to overturn a semi, Obama really should quit before he really fails.
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He's not willing to quit. He's not a Republican.
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You really expect me to take a website named crooks and liars seriously? Or a document signed by a bunch of union bosses?
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I expect an iota of intellectual honesty. Ad hom attacks are fallacies for a reason. They're breaks in logic which negate the argument. In other words, try reading the argument instead of attacking the arguer.
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I don't know Will, I'd consider someone who has maintained a zero debt balance over the last 20 years and only buys things when he has cash to back that purchase a pretty solid example of a fiscal conservative, wouldn't you?
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Not even a little. You see, this same person supported the invasion of two countries, neither of which attacked us, and had no plan in place to pay for them. This person was silent while the Republican president and Republican congress passed several significant tax cuts, also not paid for at all. What, you think because your checkbook is balanced the other stuff doesn't count? You've cost our country trillions. You, dogzilla, along with everyone that touted their fiscal responsibility while spending us into oblivion. It's dishonest and you're not getting away with it anymore. Republicans are not fiscal conservatives. You can't call yourselves that anymore, in fact you've been lying about it since 1980.