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Originally Posted by pig
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Yes, my error.
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
Well, if you can't, it leaves you in a position of being rather unconvincing. Sorry.
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Not really, it is just I have no magic dust to make you believe what you see all around you. I am not talking theory, I just give real examples.
In every state I am aware of contractors are required to be licensed, and you can go to state websites and look at those companies and check the status. Contractors are generally small, and start as "garage" businesses. In good times they spring up like weeds in the spring. In bad times they disappear. So do jobs. We are talking about, general contractors, roofing contractors, framers, cement, wallboard, electricians, plumbers, land graders, landscapers, window installers, painters, outdoor lighting, cabinetry, brick, pools, doors, inspectors, etc, etc, etc.
When the housing market rebounds, pick a state any state and monitor the activity and see what happens. Within months there will be thousands of new companies. Each of these companies may start with one, a few, a dozen or so employees - some will grow quickly to employ 50 or more, perhaps hundreds. And this is just one little segment involving licensed contractors. Within months you can see strong employment growth in this area that can have a measurable difference on a state's unemployment rate. Just from guys starting a business in the "garage"'. On the other hand any job growth from GM will be trivial in comparison.
I know, I know, unconvincing - what do you expect, some supe-rsized spaceship thing, job creator, that comes from the sky and drops jobs like paper leaflets?
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Originally Posted by FuglyStick
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I don't like government picking winners and losers. Let the market decide. I want government to be neutral. Small business tax cuts are great for existing businesses making a taxable profit. It takes most new businesses some time before they reach that point. On the surface the bill is a good thing and perhaps better than them doing the opposite. But long-term this legislation is not the solution.
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Originally Posted by Wes Mantooth
The government bail outs where an extraordinary solution to an extraordinary problem, hardly punishment for success.
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In the normal course of events, businesses start, grow, consolidate, and some die. Nothing extraordinary about that.
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Originally Posted by silent_jay
Tesla Motors, not Tulsa, unless Oklahoma suddenly because an auto hotbed, as for competing with GM, don't know about that, they're kind of a specialised car company, you know electric cars, where as GM would rather put hybrid engines in Yukons and Escalades, that no one wants to buy anyways.
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Go back and look at the history of the automotive industry, come back and we can discuss this further. We are not on the same page, even discounting my spelling error.
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Originally Posted by pig
I think before going too far down the "Tulsa Motors" rabbithole, we might want to confirm that we're talking about Telsa Motors, and then decide whether it makes sense to conflate a company which produces less than 1000 cars a year, each of which cost $100,000 and one of the largest employers in the United States.
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GM employs less that 300,000 people, and employment at the company is in a declining trend. Why do you underestimate the power and potential in small start-up companies????
What was Microsoft to IBM about 30 - 40 years ago????Why do I have to point this stuff out???I don't understand you folks!I hope I spelled Microsoft correctly - and maybe it was 29 or 41 years ago!!!
{added} there are 15 million poeple unemployed, you would need GM to grow by a factor of 50 to absorb 15 million people, is that what you folks think will happen, is that what Democrats are waiting for? Walmart employs about 1.3 million, do we need Walmart to grow by a factor of 11.5? The US government employs about 1.3 million also, I got it now, the plan is to grow government by a factor of 11.5. I think I will get a one way ticket to Greenland.