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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
If you were to want my opinion (which probably is not the case) the truth about 9/11 is more stark and simple than most people are prepared to accept
The truth to me as that the means of destruction (just as the means of production) are so developed in the late social capitalist world, that such awful carnage is rather simple to engineer.
I see no grand conspiracy, no Saudi hatemonger living in a James Bond villian style cave in Pakistan pulling the strings, no government cover up, no international terrorist attack. The truth is that the world's only super power was brought to its knee's, 3000 innocent people murdered, by a group of 25 or so murderers, armed with steak knives and trained out of some dump of a flying school in Florida and some flight simulators on a PC.
It did not take any great cunning, any special technology, and strategy or planning that a 10 year old child would not be capable of... simply a hatrid and a desire to kill, and a little brute force.
I think this is more frightening to many people than to believe that Al Qieda is some huge and advanced criminal network (the truth is that is a lose coalition of criminals and warlords, who's figurehead probably died 5 years ago of kidney failure)or that somehow the NWO plots such atrocities against its own people. Because there is no defence against 25 mad man armed with nothing but hatrid and lust to destroy.
Stanley Baldwin famously said in the 1930's "the bomber will always get through"
This to me is more true today than it ever was. The technical means to commit mass murder lie in the hands of EVERY ONE OF US.
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It's not a pleasant thought, but you're entirely right.
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Originally Posted by Eddie38
Galileo was definitely wearing the tin foil hat we he had the audacity to challenge the almighty catholic regime in their assertion that the sun revolved around the earth. I suppose "tin foil hat" is a relative term. For your average American who has their head in the sand or up FOX/CNN/NBC's ass, anything that isn't told to them by Shepard Smith or that pretty boy Anderson Cooper is a tin foil conspiracy. I'd rather challenge everything the Establishment says than mindlessly believe it.
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On the Bullshit Bingo card, claiming that "they" are persecuting you like they did to Galileo is the free space in the center. It's a nice ploy to try to get some sympathy, but in the end the difference is that Galileo was right and whoever is making the argument is wrong.
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Originally Posted by Eddie38
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I'm just going to copy and paste this because I don't feel like rewriting what will amount to the same thing
WTC 7
Let me start with one thing: "
A steel framed building has never collapsed from fire alone."
This is often accompanies a picture of a building that was hit by a plane and burned for hours, I think it was a hotel in Sweden or something like that. For the Pentagon part of today's lesson, note that there is no identifiable part of the plane visible. Now about that claim about fire, let me present Delft University's Architecture building, which collapsed after an fire sparked by a shorted out coffee machine burned out of control for over 5 hours. There wasn't even a plane crash! Nobody was hurt, and contrary to initial reports, the extensive library was unharmed by fire and smoke.
Watch this video. At about 9 seconds, the building buckles in the middle and collapses as would be expected from a controlled demolition. Might as well leave the window open, we're going to come back to it in a minute.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES...ocked.down.wmv
WTC 7 suffered damage from fire and impact of debris from the towers, a section 10 floors high was scooped out to a depth of 1/4 to 1/3 of the building's area.
First of all, the fire burned for 9 hours. The sprinkler systems required manual activation of pumps and everyone had already evacuated. NIST reports indicate that a pressurized diesel fuel line running to the 5th floor generators was not a major cause as previously theorized, but that fire was fueled constantly until fuel tanks were empty. Two hours before the collapse, the building was visibly buckling because the fire had weakened its structure.
WTC 7 was constructed with a combination of support beams and transfer girders. Upon structural failure of any support, the load would be transfered to surrounding beams. Column 72 on the 13th floor was the first to fail due to decreased strength from fires. Loads were transferred toward the east end of the building, and the east penthouse collapsed, overloading support structures and allowing collapse to progress toward the west of the building.
WTC7 did not collapse at freefall speeds. Go back to the video, and look at the top left of the building as the video starts. What you see at 2-3 seconds is the East Penthouse collapsing. For the next 7 seconds, columns are failing until they can no longer support the building and it collapses in on the most heavily damaged part, with intact sections holding up the longest.
"We decided to pull it" is another truther favorite, claiming that it means they were going to demolish the building. Unfortunately for them, this is not a phrase used by demolition contractors. On the other hand, if "it" refers to emergency services' attempts to save a building that was already a complete write-off due to extensive structural damage and several floors engulfed in flames in addition to a fire on the 5th floor fed by a pressurized diesel line (used to supply generators) with tens of thousands of gallons of fuel oil in the basement and no way to safely shut it off, it makes a lot more sense.