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Tully Mars · 09-14-2010, 09:45 AM

No you twisted my words. I never said, as you claim, that Beck, Palin et el want people to build sewer systems. I very clearly asked what do their followers want or expect? You're free to claim you didn't... but you did. For the record I'm not offended.

Connecting the dots is what I'm asking people who subscribe to this ideology to do... because I don't understand it. See when I hear tea party members saying they want to end SS, health care or do away with the IRS and dismantle the federal reserve I have yet to hear what they plan to do with the end results of those actions. I recently watched an interview with Miller the tea party guy from Alaska. He clearly stated he in fact does want to get rid of SS, he mentioned his parents are on it and they depend on it but over time it needs to be phased out. How that was going to be done became very vague... as did the time line. Just as you describe above it's not really clear what the plan is other to end it. I will say your answer is less vague then his. Near I as I can tell, from trying to follow this ideology, is anything that looks like the government providing for individuals needs to stop because it socialism and socialism is evil.

As for your concept to end SS I don't think it's realistic for a couple reasons. One I think people are going to need to start saving way before age 45. And what happens when the money they invested disappears in another market collapse? Or is there some way to invest that will ensure you never lose your investment? Personally I retired at 45... but I started panning for that at age 20 when I joined the Navy. Not everyone is going to be able to do that. I worked full time and ran a small business on the side. My side business was construction and remodeling. I remember working one Christmas installing a new floor in a bar (was the only day they closed) and it dawned on me I'd spent the previous Christmas doing much the same. I went home and looked at my calendar and I'd worked well over two years without one day off. I started turning down work after that. But with the way the economy is going I may have to return to work sooner or later. I'm alright with that, I was working two jobs when I pulled my on plug and headed for a beach. If I have to go back to working one job, at least I've had a few damn good years while I'm still able to enjoy it. But I would like things to be going well enough to find work if it comes to that.

Another question I have for the tea party folks is how do they plan on getting the budget back in balance? Every time I hear them they make it sound like just stopping the programs they attribute (a few of which were started by Bush Jr.) to Obama will solve this problem. Obama was in a 1.3 or 1.4 trillion dollar hole the day he took office. What's the plan for turning that around? I have yet to hear that addressed. Well not address by any workable solution.

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Tully Mars Living in a Warmer Insanity Super Moderator Location: Yucatan, Mexico	No you twisted my words. I never said, as you claim, that Beck, Palin et el want people to build sewer systems. I very clearly asked what do their followers want or expect? You're free to claim you didn't... but you did. For the record I'm not offended. Connecting the dots is what I'm asking people who subscribe to this ideology to do... because I don't understand it. See when I hear tea party members saying they want to end SS, health care or do away with the IRS and dismantle the federal reserve I have yet to hear what they plan to do with the end results of those actions. I recently watched an interview with Miller the tea party guy from Alaska. He clearly stated he in fact does want to get rid of SS, he mentioned his parents are on it and they depend on it but over time it needs to be phased out. How that was going to be done became very vague... as did the time line. Just as you describe above it's not really clear what the plan is other to end it. I will say your answer is less vague then his. Near I as I can tell, from trying to follow this ideology, is anything that looks like the government providing for individuals needs to stop because it socialism and socialism is evil. As for your concept to end SS I don't think it's realistic for a couple reasons. One I think people are going to need to start saving way before age 45. And what happens when the money they invested disappears in another market collapse? Or is there some way to invest that will ensure you never lose your investment? Personally I retired at 45... but I started panning for that at age 20 when I joined the Navy. Not everyone is going to be able to do that. I worked full time and ran a small business on the side. My side business was construction and remodeling. I remember working one Christmas installing a new floor in a bar (was the only day they closed) and it dawned on me I'd spent the previous Christmas doing much the same. I went home and looked at my calendar and I'd worked well over two years without one day off. I started turning down work after that. But with the way the economy is going I may have to return to work sooner or later. I'm alright with that, I was working two jobs when I pulled my on plug and headed for a beach. If I have to go back to working one job, at least I've had a few damn good years while I'm still able to enjoy it. But I would like things to be going well enough to find work if it comes to that. Another question I have for the tea party folks is how do they plan on getting the budget back in balance? Every time I hear them they make it sound like just stopping the programs they attribute (a few of which were started by Bush Jr.) to Obama will solve this problem. Obama was in a 1.3 or 1.4 trillion dollar hole the day he took office. What's the plan for turning that around? I have yet to hear that addressed. Well not address by any workable solution. __________________ I used to drink to drown my sorrows, but the damned things have learned how to swim- Frida Kahlo Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club Last edited by Tully Mars; 09-14-2010 at 09:53 AM..