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Originally Posted by roachboy
great lindy. so first i get a facile slippery slope argument and in the second i am given to understand that if you oppose fascist speech you're pol pot.
fine job.
how about you try again.
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OK, I'll try again.
This is not rocket science. It is neither facile or slippery. You fail to understand the simple distinction between a provocation (which this is) and an incitement (which this is not.)
MLK's actions in the sixties were a provocation, intended to provoke an overreaction by his opponents. It worked just as he planned. But they were not an incitement. Nothing slippery about that. Simple historical fact.
Hitler's speeches excoriating the Jews in the 1930s were an incitement, because they drove his followers, not his opponents.
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....if you oppose fascist speech you're pol pot.
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....personally, i would have hoped that jones and his tiny cadre of ultra-rightwing christian zealots would find themselves arrested had they tried to go forward.
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If you want to oppose fascist speech by throwing the fascists in the slammer, not for what they do, but for what they think, what they say, or who they are, yes, you are pol pot.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
....that doesn't mean that pressure can't be brought to bear to stop an action. this pressure can be direct, blunt violent if need be. and folk like dk couldn't object to it because the state hadn't done it, even if they supported the type of speech/action that was being halted.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
....had jones gone ahead with it, i would have supported its total suppression. and i would have care little about how it happened. i think the political and ethical damage entailed by creating an image of the united states in the context of which this sort of vile action is ok outweighs problems of free speech.
...my position comes more from finding these racist fuckwits to be viscerally offensive. so i would like personally to be part of forcing them to stop...
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Yeah, let's get our own bully-boys out to bust up the other guy's get togethers. Worked for the Nazis in the early 1930s. Do we really want that to get started here? By the way, I think we'd all really like to know just what exactly you mean by "total suppression?"
roachboy, you are blinded by your own hate.
Lindy
First they came for the ultra-rightwing christian zealots and I did not speak out because I was not...
