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Originally Posted by ring
...I cannot fathom how anyone could not see this pastor's actions as anything other than incitement.
& I think that's where the pressure came from to 'shush' him.
From many many others who are far far more reasonable....
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This is dangerous logic. Incitement is when you incite your FOLLOWERS to violence. If your ENEMIES react to your actions with violence that is not incitement. Was Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard guilty of incitement for drawing a likeness of the Prophet?
Would you call Martin Luther King, Jr. guilty of incitement because Sheriff Bull Connor and the white citizens of Alabama reacted violently to King's demonstrations in 1963? Did MLK's using his right of free speech incite his own assassination? Your logic heads right down that street.
And no, I am not equating Rev. Nitwit Terry Jones with MLK.
I am saying that we should look at this legal principle (incitement) for what it is, not just as a way to punish the actions of those we hate. Rev. Jones and his followers are no more representative Christians than the 9/11 terrorists are representative Muslims.
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Originally Posted by roachboy
...are the political consequences of this sort of thing internationally such that limitations on ultra-rightwing speech should be fashioned?
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Sure, let's judge what should or should not be protected speech based on the international political consequences. After all, we're only limiting ultra-rightwing asshats. They're such an embarrassment. Don't they just deserve it? They're nothing but a bunch of ultra-rightwing christian zealots anyway.
Then we can start to move the definition of "ultra-rightwing" a little bit to the left. And then a little more. And a little more...
Eventually anyone to the right of Vladimir Ilyich could be considered "ultra right-wing." And we could "fashion limitations" on their speech too. Just like in that Marxist workers' paradise Russia in the 1920s. And the 1930s. 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, etc.
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personally, i would have hoped that jones and his tiny cadre of ultra right-wing christian zealots would find themselves arrested had they tried to go forward.
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Let's arrest them and send nitwit Jones and all the rest of the Jews
--I mean ultra-rightwing christian zealots
-- to a nice reeducation camp. Send them away so they are not around to cause us embarrassment or unwanted political consequences. Keep them there for a good long time.
Lindy
First they came for the ultra-rightwing christian zealots and I did not speak out because I was not...
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