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Old 08-10-2010, 02:52 PM   #191 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru View Post
You will have to forgive me if I refuse to respect, listen to, and find common ground with hypocrisy. I don't hate the right who are guilty of it, but I will say that a lot of their hypocrisy is based on their own hatred and fear. The opposition to gay marriage and abortion comes from those who would never participate in such things. So why the opposition? It's not like allowing gay marriages and abortions will lead to the right's children turning gay, getting married, and aborting all their little gay babies. What they are doing is foisting their morality on others.
And are you not guilty of "Foisting your morality on others" just wrapping it under different wrapping and claiming "infringement of rights" but you are in fact infringing others rights and doing the exact foisting" You just find a bullshit justification for it and then refuse to listen making up ways a compromise would "infringe" rights. When I demonstrated no one's rights would be. But whatever... bullshit spun one way is still bullshit when spun the other.

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Even if I look for the positives, I run into the problem Tully points out: you can't easily cut taxes at the same time as reducing debt or managing a deficit. It doesn't take much business sense to get that. I can only assume that those who do get it are looking at major spending cuts (but not to the military, surprisingly). So what we get there is a bunch of libertarians who want to pay less tax after gutting, if not eviscerating, social programs.

You see, that's a position I can respect though I don't agree with it. I find libertarians to be selfish individualists for the most part, but at least what they say makes sense.
Very simple way of not "gutting" anything, except maybe foreign aid and that is bringing jobs back to this country and rebuilding a tax base.

Shrinking jobs, shrinking property taxes, shrinking sales taxes... leads to shrinking tax base which leads to only 2 solutions... raise the taxes on the rich to the point where they themselves leave our country OR cutting everything to the point of being basically a nation with 2 classes the extreme wealthy and poverty. Both of which will eventually lead to total government breakdown as we know it. Then human rights aren't going to fucking matter. People are just going to be trying to survive.

Until jobs come back those are the only solutions that exist. The only way to get a solution that will work is to put aside differences, ego and selfishness and work together.

But we'll keep dividing everyone on the social issues, (which can have simple workable compromises) so that the true issues can keep being dismissed until they blow up.

Like I said, some people truly would rather watch the country implode and destroyed rather than try to compromise and fix it. I'm not one of them.
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