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Old 08-07-2010, 12:24 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Hatred. The Tea Party's social platform is hatred. They hate the poor (despite the fact many of them are poor), they hate women, they hate non-whites, they hate gays, they hate unions, they hate the environment, they hate government spending that doesn't include warfare, and they hate peace.
This is just such a fucking miscaricature it's pathetic. It's like saying the Dems hate the rich (even tho most in the top echelons are), they hate and blame the White WASP man for everything, they make mockeries of "traditional family values" such as monogamous heterosexual marriages and raising their kids with spankings if needed, they hate management, they want gas up to $10 a gallon and force people thru economic blackmail and inaffordability their values, they hate everything the government spends money on except social programs and sending billions upon billions to other countries, they would rather dismantle the military totally and let us be invaded.

There maybe radicals on the far left that believe a few of those but not all of them and if someone here categorized the whole party that way, people would be jumping their shit and telling them how hateful they are.

But it's ok if Willravel categorizes a group of people as hatemongering ultra right wing nuts.

As one who likes what the Tea Party stands for in principle but doesn't like the fact it is basically being used by people like Beck and Levine, i can say that no one I know in the tea party is the hateful person you describe.

Most are people trying to hold onto what they have and are living in fear because BOTH parties care more about power and getting through what they want than the people they are supposedly serving.

They see Marie Antoinette... err Michelle Obama taking trips while millions are losing everything. They see billions of our tax dollars going overseas but then social services here being cut and taxes going up.

The vast majority of tea partiers I know aren't so much worried about gay marriage, abortion and race... but they do care about illegal immigration that is bankrupting states, raising crime rates, taking jobs away, they do care about money spent to promote social issues that the PEOPLE should vote on and not be dictated to accept. They want a government responsible and responsive to the people not special interest groups, lobbyists and the wealthy.

The problem lies not in the tea party values and what it stands for, the problem lies in mischaracterizations like WillRavel's and the media's and the wack jobs using the party to put forth their own agendas.

The problem lies in the fact that this is a grassroots movement that could be very strong and influence elections with a core value of rebuilding America, but is instead lacking leadership strong enough to kick out the Levines and Becks and stand up to the left leaning media that wants to mislabel and scare people away from the party.

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I wish I was exaggerating, but it's true. I've been to three of these things and it's not some valiant protest about taxes. It's hatred that comes from fear that comes from ignorance and being intentionally frightened by their Republican and Fox News leaders. Anyone that says otherwise is welcome to join me at one of these things so I can actually point it out to them.

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I'm sorry you're too close to them to see it, but unless every piece of information to come out about the Tea Parties AND my own experiences are somehow wrong, you don't know what you're talking about. You act as if because it's your friends and family somehow I don't have permission to tell the truth. That's absurd.





Why does the press seem to want to just show the negative very minute minority, and not show the signs that demonstrate what they truly stand for.

But be part of the hate and continue pushing it, instead of meaningful debate with real members that don't believe in those signs. I wonder how many of those people carrying those signs were plants to push an agenda from people on the left trying to trivialize and mischaracterize the Tea Party.

I will say this, the last picture is one I see as not that negative. I see a lot of the Left trashing our country, and a guy who wants to take pride in it. It's ok for Rev. wright to say God Damn America, but not for this guy to say "Damn Obama"? People on the left were saying far worse about Bush.

But the second sign that probably wasn't meant to get any attention, "End the Federal Reserve Now" is an example of the majority of signs you will see at Tea Party demonstrations.
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