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roachboy · 07-29-2010, 10:55 AM

cimmaron--disagreement's not really a problem. it isn't for me, actually.
i understand the position that you and eden have outlined.
i wrote the post above as a counter to it, really.
both arguments seem internally consistent.
i doubt that many people read threads on a messageboard while actively trying to make up their minds about how they want to react to something, but if they do and this issue is a concern, they've got the two basic positions. there we are.

i was thinking about it afterward (in a meeting during which i was supposed to be doing something else) and figured out the obvious insofar as my position is concerned: i opposed the war in afghanistan from the outset. i still oppose it in principle, though it seems not to matter so much now..ten years in nearly, it doesn't matter in the same way. at this point, it seems to me that there's a kind of sullen pragmatism...figure a way to get out as quickly as possible without creating a scenario that would immediately implode.

that shapes my view of the leak.

i can understand other positions. for example had i been in the military i am not sure i'd see this as i do. maybe. can't say, obviously. or if i supported the war. it's possible to view this as a purely procedural matter too i suppose. but that's a position i'm probably furthest from. the discussion would likely become technical--would the act of leaking these documents technically fall under treason or something else under military law? and it'd be short because i don't know much of anything about military law.

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fugly---> this is better than i thought.

so i assume you were initiated into the Mysteries of what "classified" means when you were in the military yourself...
you may not have noticed, because i doubt you've actually read much of anything in the thread that i've written---not that i care particularly---but the only interpretation of the leaked materials i've advanced is all about uncertainty as to the status of the information that's in the documents.

but you'd actually have to read to get to that.
and why bother reading when you're SO sure a priori that you know what's going on.

07-29-2010, 10:55 AM	#36 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	cimmaron--disagreement's not really a problem. it isn't for me, actually. i understand the position that you and eden have outlined. i wrote the post above as a counter to it, really. both arguments seem internally consistent. i doubt that many people read threads on a messageboard while actively trying to make up their minds about how they want to react to something, but if they do and this issue is a concern, they've got the two basic positions. there we are. i was thinking about it afterward (in a meeting during which i was supposed to be doing something else) and figured out the obvious insofar as my position is concerned: i opposed the war in afghanistan from the outset. i still oppose it in principle, though it seems not to matter so much now..ten years in nearly, it doesn't matter in the same way. at this point, it seems to me that there's a kind of sullen pragmatism...figure a way to get out as quickly as possible without creating a scenario that would immediately implode. that shapes my view of the leak. i can understand other positions. for example had i been in the military i am not sure i'd see this as i do. maybe. can't say, obviously. or if i supported the war. it's possible to view this as a purely procedural matter too i suppose. but that's a position i'm probably furthest from. the discussion would likely become technical--would the act of leaking these documents technically fall under treason or something else under military law? and it'd be short because i don't know much of anything about military law. ==== fugly---> this is better than i thought. so i assume you were initiated into the Mysteries of what "classified" means when you were in the military yourself... you may not have noticed, because i doubt you've actually read much of anything in the thread that i've written---not that i care particularly---but the only interpretation of the leaked materials i've advanced is all about uncertainty as to the status of the information that's in the documents. but you'd actually have to read to get to that. and why bother reading when you're SO sure a priori that you know what's going on. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 07-29-2010 at 11:10 AM..