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Idyllic · 07-22-2010, 09:04 PM

"Islamic values in their truest form" what is that, what is Judaism in it's truest form, or Christianity for that matter? From what I understand of religion and human ideologies, any of them in their "truest" form is not something I find unifying for humanity in general AT ALL, most are more dehumanizing and segregating and fear inducing and hate breeding and tyrannical than any thing I have ever read, including fantasy.

Somebody define for me how any religion "in its truest form" can equal what a simply and smartly and scientifically non-religious community center for all Americans of any religion would not do better (if you really want to open the doors to all humanity, this is what you create and this is what you allow, NON-religious, non-ideological). Why create anything within the heart of the melting pot that leans in any direction other than a cohesive center that does NOT define itself within the confines of any religion.

I see organized religion in general as a leaning from one side to another, instead of a direction that leads people together, it tears people apart. Islam just as Christianity just as Judaism or any other ideology or faith dictates that believes BELIEVE in the teachings of "leaders", in the end these teachings are inherently from HUMAN leaders, with human perspectives and human desires and human needs for human fulfillment.

One would think in a place of freedom, such as Americans claim to be, one would either build a huge conglomeration that museums all faiths and religions together as one TFPer' has already mentioned (something like a Bahá'í House, but more like a religious/ideological museum) or you build nothing in the vicinity that draws or "leans" toward anything except freedom, FREEDOM from religion, freedom from others "truisms," freedom from others perspectives of their inherent reality that are defined within the history of their foundlings (and created as such, a museum of history and why and how humans have and continue to use these "religions" as tools of control). If you want to build a mosque, than build a synagogue, build a cathedral, better yet, build nothing, for in the reality of faith, God does not live inside walls at all, humans do.

Build a business complex where the real religion of humans is apparent, money, or better, build a simple garden, build a playground for the children of mankind, where people can sit together and watch their children play under the trees together in a park for lovers and friends. Nothing that defines mankind by a specific interpretation of ones "god" is going to "truly" bring a societies people together, at least not for long..... especially when the confines of ones gods' truisms negate the freedom of a humans right to be equal merely because of who, what or how they are themselves.

Leave the hole, remind us of what empty means, we are all empty when we feel one people controls another, for whatever reason, for whatever purpose, religion, money, gender, race, without freedom what does any of it matter. Religion removes freedom, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. are religions. imho they "are" the hole, why fill the hole with something that brings humans together if you are only going to surround it with something that tears humans apart. No buildings of any "specific" religion should be built, doors for humans' unity should be open to all, build a house of freedom, freedom from each others judgments and condemnations, freedom from tyranny and freedom from segregation, freedom from racism and hatred and ignorance, freedom from persecution, freedom from fear, freedom for each other in recognizing ALL of humanities painful histories, what religion, what ideology can claim this freedom..... Build a Freedom House, and then mean it!

07-22-2010, 09:04 PM	#60 (permalink)
Idyllic Psycho Location: My House	"Islamic values in their truest form" what is that, what is Judaism in it's truest form, or Christianity for that matter? From what I understand of religion and human ideologies, any of them in their "truest" form is not something I find unifying for humanity in general AT ALL, most are more dehumanizing and segregating and fear inducing and hate breeding and tyrannical than any thing I have ever read, including fantasy. Somebody define for me how any religion "in its truest form" can equal what a simply and smartly and scientifically non-religious community center for all Americans of any religion would not do better (if you really want to open the doors to all humanity, this is what you create and this is what you allow, NON-religious, non-ideological). Why create anything within the heart of the melting pot that leans in any direction other than a cohesive center that does NOT define itself within the confines of any religion. I see organized religion in general as a leaning from one side to another, instead of a direction that leads people together, it tears people apart. Islam just as Christianity just as Judaism or any other ideology or faith dictates that believes BELIEVE in the teachings of "leaders", in the end these teachings are inherently from HUMAN leaders, with human perspectives and human desires and human needs for human fulfillment. One would think in a place of freedom, such as Americans claim to be, one would either build a huge conglomeration that museums all faiths and religions together as one TFPer' has already mentioned (something like a Bahá'í House, but more like a religious/ideological museum) or you build nothing in the vicinity that draws or "leans" toward anything except freedom, FREEDOM from religion, freedom from others "truisms," freedom from others perspectives of their inherent reality that are defined within the history of their foundlings (and created as such, a museum of history and why and how humans have and continue to use these "religions" as tools of control). If you want to build a mosque, than build a synagogue, build a cathedral, better yet, build nothing, for in the reality of faith, God does not live inside walls at all, humans do. Build a business complex where the real religion of humans is apparent, money, or better, build a simple garden, build a playground for the children of mankind, where people can sit together and watch their children play under the trees together in a park for lovers and friends. Nothing that defines mankind by a specific interpretation of ones "god" is going to "truly" bring a societies people together, at least not for long..... especially when the confines of ones gods' truisms negate the freedom of a humans right to be equal merely because of who, what or how they are themselves. Leave the hole, remind us of what empty means, we are all empty when we feel one people controls another, for whatever reason, for whatever purpose, religion, money, gender, race, without freedom what does any of it matter. Religion removes freedom, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. are religions. imho they "are" the hole, why fill the hole with something that brings humans together if you are only going to surround it with something that tears humans apart. No buildings of any "specific" religion should be built, doors for humans' unity should be open to all, build a house of freedom, freedom from each others judgments and condemnations, freedom from tyranny and freedom from segregation, freedom from racism and hatred and ignorance, freedom from persecution, freedom from fear, freedom for each other in recognizing ALL of humanities painful histories, what religion, what ideology can claim this freedom..... Build a Freedom House, and then mean it! __________________ you can tell them all you want but it won't matter until they think it does p.s. I contradict my contradictions, with or without intention, sometimes.