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Originally Posted by roachboy
geez, ace.....so you imagine that what holds israel in the realm of the extant is the siege of gaza and that if that siege is lifted israel will be hoovered down the drain of some giant bathtub?
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Read what I wrote. Perhaps there is an issue bigger than Gaza involved, have you given that any thought?
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no wait---you think hamas organized the flotilla, don't you?
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Hamas may not be involved, and even if they are not there are many who could have orchestrated this - even a small group of people who came up with the idea outside of any formal religious or political organization. I don't know. Do you know, and with what level of certainty?
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and that hamas sees itself as able to eliminate israel.
israel the regional military superpower.
that one, right?
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What I wrote is simple and clear, why take what I wrote and add faulty straw-man arguments? It seems I take a broader view of the issue than your questions suggest and if you understand that you may get a better understanding of my point of view here.
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and you imagine that free gaza wanted the idf to murder 10 people?
that's crazy.
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The craziness is of your own making.
Have you ruled out the possibility the event was staged?
Have you ruled out the motivation of instigating a fatal response to garner positive PR for a cause?
Have you dismissed the fact that there are people highly motivated to destroy Israel?
My choice is not to be a useful idiot. If this matter was really about food and aid, this issue would not be newsworthy.
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Originally Posted by dippin
This is nonsense. The event was clearly staged to draw attention to the blockade, but to claim that the people on those boats wanted to die is silly.
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Given the history of the tactics used by terrorists do you really want to stand by this statement? I am going to assume not and that we all realize that there are people willing to die for their cause - even people who are not terrorists have been willing to die for a cause.
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Of course, in binary world, everything is simple: if you are against the blockade, the gaza incursion, the profiteering that goes on because of the blockade, the evictions of Palestinians without recourse to create more settlements, etc. you must be for Hamas and terrorism, right?
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Again, I will not ignore the fact that there are people highly motivated to eliminate Israel - some to the extent that they would be willing to initiate a world war.
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Meanwhile, in this whole "Israel was defending itself" hysteria, we've yet to hear anyone actually defend the blockade as it is (you know, the blockade that bans notebooks and pens, not the fantasy blockade that people have in mind).
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I think food and aid is able to get to the people who need it, even with the blockade. War is war. If Israel is at war a blockade is a normal strategy. I believe Israel is in a state of war. If these matters are to be de-escalated, peace loving people have to be more proactive and blind support of staged events is not helpful.