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I should say, I don't necessarily like or agree with any of this, I wish none of this were happening, but it is. I will not, however, tolerant terrorism, or tyranny and I just don't see Israel as the conductors of despair in this land, I see the hamas, al qaeda, hezbollah, taliban (insurgents), et al. as the main destruction of peace and tolerance in a land hurting for a voice that does not scream "Death to the Infidels" at the same time they bow to mecca.....It is tiring the reality of hate that fills the hearts and minds of the extremist xenophobic zealots, and I do not believe that all Muslim feel the way the extremists do, I believe the average Muslim is being tyrannized over too, by their own people, and it is sad and very painful to hear and view these atrocities.
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This is not a game of who did what first or last or whenever, this is the reality of a mentality within the terrorist sect that will not be resolved until the moderate Muslims stand up to the extremist and the fundamental religious zealots and remove from the Arab people the glorification and martyrdom of hate and persecution and destruction they are feed from infancy in spoonfuls of xenophobic teachings found within their own religion.
This is a symptom of a far greater disease and one that will spread if you turn your back on it and will kill you from behind because it can and is taught to, is taught to children to kill and maim and destroy, it is the very words they grow by, it is an extension of their basic beliefs in their religious superiority and it will not stop, these fundamental radicals will not stop until they unite all under Allah, this is all they know, and it's terribly, terribly sad to watch a people struggle this way to find their own voice within a global community that does not view violence in the way they do.
This is a sad thing to witness for everyone involved, we are watching the death of an ancient culture, one rooted in antiquity and tyranny, but the culture itself is so valid and loved, it is the hate that must dissipate, but to many fundamental Muslims, hate is all they know when they look outside their own religion merely because their fundamental religious teachers fill them xenophobic hate, that is all they know. Allah help the youth of your faith grow in tolerance, teach them universal peace so they may find it also, or they will turn against you just as the crusaders turned against the Jews and the Protestants turned against the Catholics and the etc. turned against the etc. the nature of the world as taught by intelligence demands an eventual end to violence, no parent wants to see their child suffer or die, no parent of a cohesive and tolerance loving world would strap a bomb on a child and use them to murder innocent people.. ?
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sadly, the only hate im seeing in this thread is coming from you idyllic. i dont see the so called islamic link that you speak of, and its been proven that you get you dont know the full extent of the issues here, nor do you realise what sources you rely on. i ask you one question that i ask regularly here, that you need to answer truthfully (to yourself at least)... how many muslims do you really know where you have sat down at spoken to as just normal human beings who want nothing but a good future for them and their kids? my gut feeling tells me none.
To be truly honest, ill tell you what i think about your arguments - your arguments twist and turn in many different directions and its hard keeping a straight conversation about the flotilla, israel and palestine without you throwing red herrings into the argument about alqaeda, hamas and hezbollah (btw i still am waiting for those sources. please feel free to pass them on at your own leisure).
p.s. and just in case, since you use the word arab and muslim synonymously, i thought id throw this one in for you. christian arabs make up a sizable percentage of the arab world.
lebanon has around 45-50% chriatian population
phaestine ahs around 600,000 chrsitians living in either camps or
jordan has around 10% christian population
im not sure about egypt, but they have a strong coptic chritian following as does iraq in the form of assyrians
You know idyllic, many moons ago, there was a member here by the name of Host who didnt know when to stop a futile argument... he's no longer with us unfortunately. Thats not a threat, but he irked a lot of people. people who even agreed with his arguments, but not his delivery. just thought id give you that piece of advice. pro bono.
jazz, the israelis didnt have a right to respond in international waters. all they needed to do was wait until they reached israeli waters and prove the threat. PR crisis averted. the fact that it happened in international waters makes the israelis no better than those somali pirates in the horn of africa.