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Originally Posted by roachboy
you cannot be serious about your characterization of the prime minister of turkey.
but if you're going to take your information from jihad watch, a program of the david horowitz information center, then i suppose facts are secondary to ideology a priori.
it's a shame though because these flights of paranoid fantasy are making anything like a coherent discussion impossible.
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“flights of paranoid fantasy are making anything like a coherent discussion impossible”
What are you saying here rb, are you implying I am paranoid, what would I be paranoid for, are you implying I live in a fantasy world where my views alone are so far fetched as to be flighty? Is this what you consider a discussion, let alone coherent to imply these things of me? If my discussion is not coherent enough for you, then please don’t read my posts, I have a right to my opinions, slandering the Turkey PM was not one of them. I was interested in the quotes of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, you know, the things he was saying about this issue, and I found them, I tried CNN, but to no avail so reuters would have to do (via jihad watch as they had condensed to his quotes alone), I found it interesting the turn of Erdogan in not accepting any responsibility for this incident on HIS ships, by his people, but in no way did I slander him.
rb, you did notice it was put in quotes right, "like this" and repeated from the quote box, you did see that, right? Look the whole Turkey connection is coming about from the intense animosity the PM is displaying and his insistence on the U.S. solidarity bit but no acknowledgment of the possible terror links of some of the unnamed aggressive passengers and the reason for so much contraband which was supposed to have been checked before it left Turkey on that there Turkey boat to begin with.
I can quote from anywhere and not find full agreement with such and I think it is a bit trivial to take something I quote and apply it to me personally unless I say, YES, I AGREE WITH THIS..... or do you always agree with what you quote out? But for arguments sake let’s say I quote directly from Reuters:
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(Reuters) - Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan called Tuesday for Israel to be punished for storming a Turkish aid ship and said "nothing would ever be the same" in relations between the two allies.
Turkey was infuriated by the killing of nine people, including four Turks, during the Israeli assault Monday to stop a convoy of six vessels delivering aid to the Gaza Strip, and 368 Turks were still being held in Israel.
"Israel's behavior should definitely, definitely be punished," a spirited Erdogan told a meeting of his parliamentary deputies broadcast on live television.
"No one should try to test Turkey's patience," he said.
"The time has come for the international community to say 'enough'," he said. "The United Nations must not stop at its resolution condemning Israel, but stand behind its resolution."
The Turkish leader said he had spoken to German Chancellor Angela Merkel and British Prime Minister David Cameron, and would deliver the same message when he speaks to U.S. President Barack Obama in a telephone call later Tuesday.
"Israel should lift the inhumane embargo on Gaza right away. Killing innocent people is a wicked recklessness," he said.
Erdogan has become popular throughout the Islamic world for his trenchant criticism of Israeli policies toward the Palestinians. With an election due by July next year, Erdogan could bolster support for his Islamist-leaning AK Party.
ESTRANGED ALLIES
Speaking in Washington, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said the Israeli action damaged wider Middle East peace efforts.
"How can we rely that we have a real counterpart who wants peace even if they do not respect the citizens of a friendly country?" he told reporters at a breakfast meeting in Washington. "If they don't act, how can we convince Syria or other countries in the region that they want peace?"
Relations between Turkey and Israel have deteriorated sharply because of Erdogan's stand over the Palestinians over the past year, and there was some expectation that the Turkish leader could finally break an increasingly awkward alliance.
Erdogan demanded the release of Turkish nationals and the ships being held in Israel, but stopped short of announcing immediate measures, while making it clear that the Israel-Turkey relationship had been irreparably damaged.
"Today is the beginning of a new age. Things will never be the same again," he declared. "We will never turn our back on the Palestinians."
Monday, Turkey recalled its envoy to Israel, canceled joint military exercises, and successfully called for an emergency meeting of the U.N. Security Council to condemn the Jewish State's actions.
Israel and Turkey have had a close military alliance and economic relationship for more than a decade. Senior ministers and military chiefs from both countries have been in contact since the crisis erupted.
But Energy Minister Taner Yildiz signaled ties were under review.
"We have examined the dimensions of our energy cooperation with Israel, a strategic decision may be taken on the prime minister's instruction," Yildiz told reporters.
Bilateral trade reached $2.5 billion in 2009, with Turkey buying military hardware from the Jewish state.
Aside from the bilateral trade, there are plans for projects in energy, agriculture and water between Turkey and Israel that would involve billions of dollars.
But Defense Minister Vecdi Gonul said the diplomatic storm would not affect the planned delivery of Israel-made Heron drone aircraft to Turkey. Earlier this year, the two countries wrapped up the purchase of 10 Heron drones in a deal worth $180 million.
(Writing by Simon Cameron-Moore; Editing by Ralph Boulton
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I just don’t think that helped any, but if it helps you to NOT see me, or attempt to portray me, as some xenophobic, paranoid, delusional flights of fantasy girl, wait lets’ not forget Islamophobic, (thanks Baraka) then I hope you understand now. The only phobic I am is cryophobic, being the hot-blooded bitch I am.
Thank You, Cimarron29414, my intent is not to step on too many toes and yet still be able to dissect this issue from many perspectives. I apologize if I have offended anyone, that is definitely not what I am about. And I am still learning too. It was absolutely not my intention to label him an Islamic supremacist (nor did I), if I came across that way, however, then I am truly sorry, I don't know enough about the Turkey connection except what I am uncovering as I read along.