Whoa. Gonna take me a million years to respond to this thread.
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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan
1: More comfortable than the Glock
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Well, some people find the gargantuan grip on a Para double stack to be comfy, too. Comfort is crazy subjective.
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2: Easier to disassemble and clean than the Glock.
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How easy does it need to be to disassemble? Like an M9? I have no problems popping the slide off a Glock after clearing, depressing the trigger and pulling down slightly on the disassembly nubbins while pulling the slide to the rear from underneath. Proper technique helps.
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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan
3: Possessed of a -far- superior trigger to the Glock.
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The ~3.8# trigger on a Glock 34 isn't bad. And the XD isn't as nice as the SA pull on a H&K. Triggers are also a personal flavor... how shitty was the trigger on my work M4? Real shitty. And it was a Colt made for the US Gov't to go play GI Joe overseas.
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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan
4: Possessed of a much better control suite than a Glock: I like being able to reach/feel/use my controls, as opposed to needing GPS just to find the fuckers.
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Hmm... the controls on a Glock are the slide lock and mag release, right? The slide lock is a rack 'n go type and the mag release is a twist-the-grip type that requires immediate replacement. I concur on both of these and this is the reason why I run a G34... said model fixes both of those problems.
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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan
I've also found it to be supremely reliable, with all ammo and under all conditions, dirty or clean. It puts the rounds right where I tell it to, has never malfunctioned on me, and comes with safety features which make it extremely attractive to families.
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What safety features are you referring to? Firearm safety is all about the operator, not the firearm... unless you're shooting something made by Vector.
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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan
I do have to take serious issue with this. In my extensive experience (we've carried, sold, owned and used the Judge since it came out) the Judge offers more capability in one place than any other product on the market. With the heavyweight .45LC ammo it can approach or even exceed the ballistics of the .44 Remington Magnum, making it suitable even for large bears. The .410 capability makes it far superior to anything else out there for small pests, snakes, etc, and with .410 Buckshot (especially Federal's new 1200fps high-performance loads, or the even uglier Winchester PDX-1) it is a more-than-workable close-range defensive weapon. It's especially well-suited to use from a car, or for home-defense in built-up areas where overpenetration is a significant concern. As a "Woods gun" it's literally unbeatable IMO. Load the first two chambers with birdshot (for snakes), third chamber with .410 000 Buckshot (rabid small critters) and the last two chambers with .45LC: right there you have one weapon, with one loadout, that's literally capable of taking any animal which walks, crawls, slithers or swims on the North American continent. No other handgun offers that kind of versatility. And if you -do- have to draw down on a Bad Guy or a bear, so what? About the time he/it gets the memo that it might oughta get mad 'cause you just blasted it in the face with birdshot, those .45's are on the way and he's got -much- bigger problems!
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This sounds a little like the shooter is maybe Jerry Miculek. I can't spin a DA revolver cylinder that fast and hit anything, bro. Especially not a smaller .45 LC. This "Swiss Army Gun" setup might work better if you have less options and more immediate control of the loads (like a SxS coach gun w/ double triggers, for example). It seems the 21 foot rule plus this gun equals a total mess. And I don't believe in mixing ammo in guns, counting rounds, etc. That's for TeeVee and people who want to accidentally put a 12g slug through their wall when they were expecting birdshot. I got to thinking about that when I was considering my home defense setup for my 12g and this last pricey tactical carbine course only reinforced it: nobody counts rounds when they're stressed and if you can have something, like ammo, be consistent, then you should. The last thing I'd want is to pull the trigger on my self defense gun during a carjacking and get something other than the most powerful round in the gun... nor would I want to be in a situation where my follow-up shot was something that only pissed the guy off after I botched my first shot, etc, et al.
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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan
Is it a target weapon? IDPA match gun? Skeet shotgun? No, and of course you'll be disappointed if you try to use it like that. It's a close-range defensive arm: a perfectly legal 5-shot revolving sawn-off shotgun. Until and unless they bring back the Ithaca Auto & Burgaler (and ditch the NFA) IMO it's probably the best close-range arm available right now for someone who hasn't the time or interest in becoming truly proficient, or who needs to potentially throw down a lot of lead in a short period of time with minimal overpenetration concerns and/or aiming time (carjacking).
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If someone doesn't have the time or interest in becoming proficient with a firearm, they shouldn't own one. This doesn't mean they have to take tactical pistol classes and shoot a smoking IDPA score, but it does mean they should understand how to manipulate the weapon under stress and the importance of putting rounds in the black.
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Edited To Add: I also haven't seen this "problem with serious shooters" you mention. Most of my more serious customers (competitive shooters, 1911 freaks, one old Bounty Hunter) have nothing but good to say about Taurus: Their M-9 knockoff is 1/2 the price with no frame cracking problems, their PT-1911 has $1600 worth of name-brand extras on a $650.00 out-of-the-box race/target gun (and Kimber/Wilson/Les Baer have been forced to unsuccessfully compete), the PT-24/7 has probably the best ergonomics I've seen on a full-sized handgun in a -long- time, and their revolvers are licensed copies of S&W designs for half the money or less. Sure the action will need a little work, but with all the money they save on the buying end you can afford a few minutes with an emory cloth or a coupla hundred bucks at Cylinder & Slide.
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If I have to spend "a coupla hundred bucks" at Cylinder and Slide on a $350 revolver, I'm just going to spend the $450 on a S&W that doesn't require such. Don't get me wrong, I have no issues with Taurus products (despite not owning any) but if I have to do significant work to a piece outta the box, I'm going to go somewhere else. Would you buy a new car that requires a brake job before it leaves the lot? Now, I say that as the owner of a Keltec and the guy who owns failtacular firearms that essentially pin him with a douchebag badge. Yes, yes, I admit it... I helped a guy rebuild a Leinad M11.
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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan
As for guns I wish would go away? That's easy.
I want that damned-fool AA-12 thing to just dry up and blow away. The design has been around since 1964. Chuck Atchisson couldn't make it work. Nobody else has been able to either. But every week, I get some numbnut either asking me when we'll have one he can buy (with the $5.00 he hasn't spent on meth or comic-books yet), or bragging about how he used his personal AA-12 to mow down a dozen Hajjis in Sadr City, Afghanistan. It doesn't work reliably, it probably never will, Civvies will never be able to own one in any case, and the Saiga does everything the AA does except break down (for a tenth of the price and a twentieth of the mechanical headache). When the Spetznaz wanted a full-auto shotgun, they took a proven 104% reliable design, chambered it in 12ga, and went back to killing Chechens. When the Green Berets wanted a full-auto shotgun, we took 40 years to cobble together a hybrid of 3 different designs that has never worked properly and made it look like a lunch-box.
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This is an excellent candidate for the scrap pile and I completely concur. The AA12 is almost as craptacular as the infamous Pancor Mk III "Jackhammer". The US Army would have been better served by the friggin' Protecta.
Also: Everybody knows you're a total Saiga fanboy, Dunedan.