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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
I am pointing out that this character is listing some things about himself:
1 - he owned a cgun
2 - he is part of a gun club
3 - he has at some point trained bodyguards
4 - he is American
5 - he used to be in the army
You have stated that these are his "credentials" by which I should take seriously his negative opinion of the Desert Eagle
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So if you do not consider NRA member, gun owner, pistol instructor, personal protection instructor, and former Light Infantryman valid qualifications for evaluating a firearm, what exactly would you consider? You have provided no more qualified opinions other than your own hearsay, and you lack all of the above.
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The Rabbi sounded far more knowledagble, and what he stated was that in his personal opinion the Desert Eagle wasnt a good gun for use in self defence because it was tempermental and required a lot of looking after
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He said that it had poor ergonomics, that there were better alternatives with similar power, and that it was unreliable to the point that he would never consider owning one. He didn't say anything about self defense, other than the fact that it was in response to a question regarding one.
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And you know, a Ferrari requires a lot more looking after than a Ford. That doesnt mean that in every way a Ford is a better motor than a Ferrari, does it?
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Who do you think has gotten more military contracts, Ford or Ferrari? Ferraris, while completely impractical, at least wins races with their cars, while no one serious uses Desert Eagles in any kind of competition. Unless you were just trying to equate them to each other as 'expensive impractical toys', which I'll happily concede.
Do you even know what you're arguing any more? You've evolved your stance from:
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best quality big handgun which is made....the Desert Eagle is a premium weapon
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("it's the best quality!")
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It is widely accepted by all experts in the field that IMI are the best gun manufacturer in the world. The Desert Eagle is an iconic and extremely powerful hand gun.... The wide usage of this gun in video games and movies is evidence of its peerless design and functioning capability.
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("It's made by the best company, and it's iconic, with peerless design and function!")
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I dont think there is any gun which can be used one handed by an average person which has the same power.
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(It's the most powerful!)
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It may be true that there are some other guns of similar power but the differences are not material . The Desert Eagle has been reported to have caused fatality of someone shot through a wall - this is as much power as anyone needs.
But in fact a gun that is good for accuracy may not have the most power. This trade off between power/accuracy is well known amongst gun experts. ....For a person who wants a gun for self defence or criminal violence then they would probably prefer a gun they know has the power to kill whatever threat they face.
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("Maybe some other guns are as powerful. But it's powerful enough to shoot through a wall! It may not be accurate, but it has enough power for self defense and those intending criminal violence to kill people with!")
A side note here: Because of the fixed barrel design, these pistols (when loaded with the right ammo) are actually quite accurate...on the first shot. Due to their size and weight, and the power of the 50AE, getting back on target for follow up shots, however, is slow and difficult, compared to conventional calibers. Sorry for the actual firearm information threadjack.
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No, I dont say a Desert E .50AE is necessarily the best gun to use in self defence or criminal violence, just that it is the best at what it is supposed to be - an over powered handgun which has a stylish appearance.
And in fact all I would need to do to prove my case in this discussion is to prove that it isnt the worst gun at what it does, which is what this thread is supposed to be about.
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("I didn't say it was the best...just that it's powerful and stylish. And that it isn't the worst!")
So which is it: It's the best, or it's not the worst? Or it's the best at "what it's supposed to be," which is a bit ambiguous? What exactly is it the best at? What situation, exactly, is it a better tool for than any other more mainstream firearm? Or are you, in a roundabout way, conceding that it's an interesting looking toy, but completely useless as a working gun, thus giving complete credence to the fact that it is primarily owned by people who don't plan on using their guns for any useful purpose beyond going 'bang'.
I've provided what I consider to be expert opinions on the subject matter (although The_Dunedan's is equally qualified, in my mind), I would like to see you produce some of your own.