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Why do you take a base positive of conservative politics (taxation with regard to it’s constituents’ p.o.v.s and desires) and then degrade it with rhetoric.

B.s. we never OPPOSED national healthcare, we just didn’t want some “hidden” bill secretly passed without full disclosure and understanding of what it meant to the average citizen, we wanted to insure this bill would do what it is supposed to do with the greatest benefit for all without breaking the backs of middle class Americans.

Where does it say we oppose regulations that would benefit out nations growth, find that for me.

And you blame the republicans for this, why precisely?

WHAT….. are you kidding me, what right do you have to assume that all conservatives could, or would believe this as an appropriate “reaction” to terrorist attacks on our nation terrorist attacks that destroyed the world trade centers and all those (non-combatant) innocents therein, downed 4 nearly full commercial jets with private citizens and exposed the hate of other countries toward the U.S. There was no brown-people profiling, there was terrorist profiling, actually, there was little bit of profiling in that, we were all checking grandmas too and baby sisters, don’t want anyone to think we assumed a particular sect where attempting to kill us all. A bit dramatic there, don’t you think, Fugly, the reality is most of those attacks and the following attacks were perpetrated by Muslim men, and some women, what was there to profile, the reality was pretty obvious, what I don’t understand is how some liberals seem to come across in a way as “we must of deserved it” and apologizing’ish for upsetting someone else so much that they want to kill us, why is that, oh, wait, I’m just another one of your crazy conservatives, right?

bs, Obama has handed out plenty in an attempt to recover the economical fuck up of many in our nation, not all were conservatives, and fugly, I’ve never fucked a mother, I am a mother so I guess I’m more of a motherfucked, especially by citizens like yourself who just can’t help profiling based on which political house you live in.

1. Your no better than they are with you self-righteous indignations and your own one-sided take on reality
2. You just perpetuate the stereotypical name calling finger pointer who doesn’t want to solve any problem just point them out and blame everybody else.

Let’s see how much more haters I can find here:

So lovely, I didn’t realize I was ANTI-democratic, I mean I guess I MUST be if I am pro something I must absolutely be “anti” also. Just because I like blue, doesn’t mean I hate orange, blue just happens to be my favorite, but orange is my son’s favorite color and I love it too, why can’t I be a conservative, a republican and still respect and admire the same qualities of Americanism in the liberals, the democrats that are also found in me. TPF has a lot of friends who haven’t quite figured this fact out and believe wrongly and in the process continue to perpetuate the “to have an opponent” WITHIN the American people, Americans are not by definition “Opponents” why is this so hard to acknowledge, why perpetuate ignorant bias racist thinking and rhetoric by implying one party has more participate that define it as such than another, it’s not truth. Why do you refer to me as your opponent, aren’t we both fighting FOR the same country?

Wow, and I thought all Americans at that time were holding hands and waving flags in solidarity for those who had died and those who were going to die in defense of our great nation, I guess I was wrong and it was all about politics, damn me. You know that statement above, after reading it again, is simply spiteful and derelict, imo. How can someone take the terrorist attacks that occurred on our own lands too our own people and turn them into such political bull shit? We declared war on a nation of people willing to die to kill us, they are called terrorist, they are not called Muslims or brown people for the specific reason that not all Muslims hate us and not all brown people are Muslims or hate us, they are called terrorist because they have vowed to destroy our way of life, all Americans. War costs money Tully, it was never about democrats or republicans, it was about America, at least that’s how I saw it.

It’s amazing, all the anti-republican rhetoric I need, is right here in the threads of TFP, the TFP brotherhood, that is supposed to be open to all, is greatly closed off, to a degree, to those who are conservative, who see themselves as republicans, it is as if those non-conformists who are "welcomed" here is merely a veiled reason to keep around some dogs to kick when you need a good laugh, or when the issues become more than a forest, it’s easier to just call the trees names and cut them down so you can “see” your own viewpoint better…… eventually there will be nothing left but empty dirt with hills in the distance where trees grown and get along, because we republicans would not be here amongst such seemingly staunch liberals if we didn’t agree with many of your opinions and want to play along, together, hello…..stop with the hating people, I am tiring of it and at time longing to just move on. I travel through you website and read all the work you are doing to keep people interested in this site, and yet it comes across so one sided, you lose out on 50% of you audience and overwhelm the rest of the conservatives with degrading attacks, seriously, I could do this in many threads where the attacks seem to fall back to name calling politics, it’s childish after awhile. I am not immune to it either.

We assassinated you character, I don't recall doing that, what exactly did we "give out." I can take it, but if it is just more name calling and rhetoric, I'm not going to, nor have I ever been, an enemy of the American people, I am the American people, just as you are also.

Again, I am compared to a racist because of my party affiliations, bull shit..... you perpetuate hatred in comments like this and perpetuate attacks on republicans by your wrongly assumed innuendos and sheeting remarks that cover our entire party with your incendiary labels poorly “shrouded” in your self promoting remarks.

A movement lead by the people of a nation does not always need a spearhead, and sometimes trying to apply a way of thinking to a single individual greatly reduces the movements ideology, we are not picking leaders to follow we are having wackos thrown in our faces and told this is what we must believe, well, in most cases it’s not and we find these hard core righties just as crazy as you do, in most situation re: extremist p.o.v’s theses "leader" are not our voice, our voice is Americanism, just as yours is.

crazy politics are perpetuated here too.

and now even those who are not crazy politics are wrong, just in the background trying to quietly destroy, and we are opponents again.

How is it that when you disagree you are right but when we disagree we are attacking you, even when we aren’t attacking you, even when we are just attempting to share our pov or our opinion, we are wrong and you all will go out of you way to prove it, harshly, gang style, and again, compared to tyrannical leaders who believed in genocide.

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The name calling, actually in this case, the comparison of somebody with conservative viewpoints to a “tyrannical” genocidic murderer, wow, we are tiring of being forced to choke on this brand of b.s. being shoved repeatedly down our throats there tends to be more and more comparison being made in this kin.

This comparison was made because ace “kinda” made a legitimate remark that he did not want to pay taxes for colleges that educate their students to believe that religion and the NRA are the base negativities of the American people and that though they pay their taxes so we can all attend college, it is o.k. to perpetuate the ignorance and bigotry of the working class people who pay for your “intellectuals” to attend said schools, that makes him a pol pot, whatever, just appears to be another way to whip the dog to me, eh?

What I find even funnier is how when ace does make an observation about how he feels the “intellectuals” view the hard working truckers, you attack him on both levels, he is being bigoted by being realistic about the emotional stanch of most truckers, who do work very hard at their career and their views as part of the foundation of American privateering (enemies being anything anti-American) and self employ and are a strong voice in the American freedom and free enterprise movement, you make him seem bigoted and denigrating of them, which merely exposes your own base perceptions of these people, who ace never made derogatory, you did, and then you whip him with the alternatives and claim he is bigoted and bias against intelligent people in which you claim intellectuals are always the right individuals even if these individuals are educated on the backs of truckers to believe that the industry is full of the uneducated bigots, even I could see he was making a comparison of one who pays taxes to educate those who look down on me, WHY? Why anyone should be forced to pay taxes for universities that teach intolerance of alternate p.o.v.’s. I don’t mind paying taxes for a school that teaches tolerance, period, not a bunch of “professors” who spew one-sided views of anti-American, republican vs. democratic rhetoric. Go ahead, attack away, I know it’s coming, and I am absolutely SURE you all believe I must deserve it, I am a republican after all, a hated conservative who believes in nothing you all believe in, right?

You mean YOUR form of reality, right? the Pol Pot form of reality were we take one members pov and apply it to and then compare it with a hatemonger, genocide favoring, murderer, nice rb, and the entire, point finger, place blame, is again another thread where you attack the politics instead of the issues and when the issues are presented you start calling names and degrading others pov’s based on their party alignment.

Now ace is a martyr, his opinion is some great ideology not even remotely interesting to others, would it matter if it was, the attack you all seem to feel he “garners” are repetitive and isolating and just as name calling, and “gang” mentality as anything I’ve seen thus far, I find it a bit like rabid dogs yapping and yapping to torment someone they view as an inferior and to insure this participate understands his place within the pack, fuck this pack mentality, it takes the fun out of “being a part” of the TFP community.

Sometimes you all make it feel as though the only people with pertinent and viable information or opinions are those who believe the way most of you appear to, liberal, which is o.k. so long as being pro-liberal doesn’t’ also mean your anti-conservative.

No Jinn, I don’t think there are, I feel most of the derogatory post I come across are personal attacks on my pov re politics, that is the reality of this, how can you name callers be so blind and then defend your positions with well, they used to say it to. We try to give our opinions and we are labeled pol pot and crazies and un-American and blah, blah, blah, you don’t want our opinions you just want to beat us for them. When we deny our “perceived” and put apon racism you call us liars again and proceed to throw more crazies in our faces and claim we believe them too, we are conservative, we are all alike, b.s.

Where would one go, leave TFP, maybe this is you intent, create a safe place for liberals to pat each others back because you all ran off the evil conservatives.

So you admit to the same thing you blame ace for, going to far to make a point, albeit in aces he spoke of trucker and “intellectuals” and you speak of person of obviously anti-humane views…. and then everyone of the your liberal friends join in and surround ace in both forums and yap, yap, yap. If this were anywhere outside of a forum this would be gang bashing bordering on violence, you are all attacking him for the same thing you all do the only difference is he is not a liberal like you all are, everyone plays the devil advocate at time, that doesn’t make them the devil, you do know this, right, for if it were true, you too would have horns.

and now instead of responding to how ace feels by all these attacks we change our attacks and blame him for our attacks because we think he called us stupid when what he said was that he didn’t feel he should be forced to pay taxes to educate people who teach students to believe that the undereducated members of society are really bigoted, biased, racists, simple minded religious, rifle toting freaks set to destroy all liberals and convert America to fundamental Christianity. I think you all carry a lot of your own baggage and then view everyone who does not believe precisely the way you do as your enemy, or your opponent to be beaten, and beaten, until they leave or conform.

It’s nice you have noticed rb, and I think you right rb, but the damage is done, and it is pretty damn painful to have witnessed, just as a newbie outsider, I would like to think the stress of this whole damn oil spill has hurt all of us and we are bickering in an attempt to extinguish emotions the best we know how, but it still hurts when somebody, with friends, seems to demonize an individual because he doesn’t agree with another’s political path.

The mentality of bigotry really grew to embrace many friends and nearly make opponents out of many us all.

hmmmm, I don’t think anyone who participated in the bashing of anyone else his can escape ownership in this statement filterton, ace is not a lone wolf, as much as you all would like to make him one…… we are all a part of the same pack here, he just happens to be the one that doesn’t agree with the op and made the mistake of saying so, if this mentality continues people like myself, the_dundan, pan, ace, etc will be quieter and quieter until you entire forum is simply filled with game threads, won’t that be fun.

Find a better way to make your pov’s without personal attacks or broad sweeping statements debasing all conservatives, try to focus you remarks on an individual and to that individuals remarks and then wait to see where alliances lie, I think most of us would not be surprised to realize that the reality is we all want the same basic rights for all Americans, as well as all humans, and we mostly all believe in the same wrongs perpetrated by crazies on either extreme end of the party groups.

Or maybe your intent is to create the antithesis of fox the opponent of the conservative movement altogether, you can all start you own anti-republican website were debate is non existence until some unsuspecting righty shows up and then wham, you got em, only problem people read this and realize the one-sided p.o.v.’s and the attacks, and we just don’t come to play at all anymore.

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