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roachboy · 05-14-2010, 04:33 PM

ace, what you fail to take into account is the whole reality of the regulatory set-up. it is absurd under that arrangement to expect the federal government to break out of the reliance on industry self-reporting "from day one"---it's not how reality works in this area. this is a main reason i started posting so much about the regulatory system---you know how it actually worked, not how you'd prefer to pretend to yourself it worked so you can find some way to pretend to yourself that the bush people would somehow have been more manly or some shit about this (like they were with katrina...but that's another matter).

so reality was organized so that bp was the source of information about the leak. and if you read the article i posted this earlier about the estimates concerning the amounts that are leaking, bp---which AGAIN is the informational center of this mess---obstructed efforts to get something like an accurate assessment.

why would they do that?
pubic relations, obviously.
it's pretty clear that bp was hoping they could downplay the magnitude of the problem in the hopes that they could get it under control quickly.
it didn't work.

and it's disengenuous to pretend that reality was organized otherwise.
its good to actually read stuff, i think. you learn things.

your second point above is little more than nationalist wanking. fact is that the technologies were not in place to deal with this kind of mess because and only because the regulatory arrangement didn't require it and the exclusive emphasis on profits precluded its development according to "business reasons"---what this sort of thing does is dismantle the pollyanna worldview of neoliberals who like to pretend the private sector will take care of everything...such obvious nonsense.

but i do find your snippy accusations about the state to be funny, given how inefficient and ineffective your metaphysics usually require that the state be.

05-14-2010, 04:33 PM	#135 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	ace, what you fail to take into account is the whole reality of the regulatory set-up. it is absurd under that arrangement to expect the federal government to break out of the reliance on industry self-reporting "from day one"---it's not how reality works in this area. this is a main reason i started posting so much about the regulatory system---you know how it actually worked, not how you'd prefer to pretend to yourself it worked so you can find some way to pretend to yourself that the bush people would somehow have been more manly or some shit about this (like they were with katrina...but that's another matter). so reality was organized so that bp was the source of information about the leak. and if you read the article i posted this earlier about the estimates concerning the amounts that are leaking, bp---which AGAIN is the informational center of this mess---obstructed efforts to get something like an accurate assessment. why would they do that? pubic relations, obviously. it's pretty clear that bp was hoping they could downplay the magnitude of the problem in the hopes that they could get it under control quickly. it didn't work. and it's disengenuous to pretend that reality was organized otherwise. its good to actually read stuff, i think. you learn things. your second point above is little more than nationalist wanking. fact is that the technologies were not in place to deal with this kind of mess because and only because the regulatory arrangement didn't require it and the exclusive emphasis on profits precluded its development according to "business reasons"---what this sort of thing does is dismantle the pollyanna worldview of neoliberals who like to pretend the private sector will take care of everything...such obvious nonsense. but i do find your snippy accusations about the state to be funny, given how inefficient and ineffective your metaphysics usually require that the state be. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 05-14-2010 at 04:37 PM..