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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan
This is why I've asked for your sources: so that I can double-check them against my own notes, academic journals, etc. Your refusal to provide such sources, beyond a single non-peer-reviewed article which is mostly irrelevant to the discussion and does not support your points, is very telling...
Then please provide them. Stop prevaricating, stop with the "I would" and "I understand" and just show us the effin' source material. You keep insisting that things happened for which I am unaware of any documentation, and then not providing the documentation when asked, all the while insisting that you would like to do so. You cannot simply make historical claims, especially those which fly in the face of 5,000yrs of recorded human history, and expect people to take you at your word.
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This is one of the reasons I bowed out of attempting to discuss this. There are many ridiculous claims in this thread about history that fly in the face of what I know from my own study of history--specifically the history of sexuality.
Natural Manhood, until you provide us with some concrete evidence via citations of ACTUAL ACADEMIC SOURCES, no one here is going to take your argument seriously.
Here's some recommended reading for you:
This book provides a comprehensive overview of the history of sexuality in Western civilization. Yes, I read the whole thing. The editor of said volume was actually my professor. Before you make radical claims about what Western societies believe or do not believe about sexuality and masculinity, I suggest you actually familiarize yourself with the history.