Natural manhood

That is the problem with people who are so bigoted that they fail to pay heed to what the other is saying.

That is not what I said ...

You'd brought up the issue of who penetrates and who is penetrated, and I pointed out that these are just the gender roles of men and third genders (gays) respectively.

At no point did I say that the roles are right or justified or natural.

In fact, I did also say that its not because the males penetrate that they are men, but rather its because they are men that they have to penetrate, (addition: whether or not they like it).

And that, its not because the males get penetrated that they are 'third genders' but because, they are third genders that they get penetrated. Getting penetrated for them is the way to assert their femininity, just as penetrating is the way for masculine gendered males to assert their masculinity in social terms.

Just as in the modern west, heterosexuality is the way for the masculine gendered males to assert their masculinity, and 'homosexuality' is the way for the feminine gendered to assert their femininity.

Unfortunately, the sexual acts and desires, which should have been left to each individual's personal nature, have been converted into their gender roles, becoming a burden, a pressure for the masculine gendered male.

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MALE AND MAN
You must also understand the difference between males and men. Part of the problem may be because you think it is unreasonable to call the transgendered males as 'non-men.' But that is not true. 'non-man' male does not have to be a judgemental adjective. In every non-Western culture, 'man' is basically used for the masculine gendered male. Feminine gendered males are not masculine gendered and they're happy with it. They don't cease to be males, but, they are not 'men' and they don't have to be 'men' to be normal. It's perfectly normal and valid, not to be men, but be third gender males.

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Your problem is you don't pay attention to what I say.

Getting penetrated is sensually pleasurable and by default any male would like it, whether they're masculine gendered or feminine gendered. But a man's gender roles don't allow him to enjoy it. He must only penetrate. In fact, it is an oppression of men, not their privilege that they are restricted to being penetrators.

The effeminate males are free to get penetrated and enjoy sexual pleasure. That is their privilege, not their oppression.

Btw, masculine gendered males (you call them straights) accept, even offer, sexual contact that they do not want, all the time ... and its to/ from women. And its a grave form of sexual exploitation. Yet, they don't have any space to complain at all. In fact, they blame themselves for not enjoying sex with women, with whom and when they don't.

They don't even have the space to say they feel discomfort if forced into 'sexual' or vulnerable positions before women, like when they're made to strip in front of women for non-sexual purposes (let's say a physical, or a compulsory massage for sportsmen). Because refusing to bow down to this forceful exposure is taken to mean, they don't enjoy circumstances where they get to be sexual with women, which is seen as a grave deficiency of their heterosexuality, which immediately debars them from manhood by putting a question mark on their 'straightness.'

That is just one of the ways the Western society oppresses men.

You wanted to know what the 'anti-man forces' are. Its the forces that actively create and perpetuate the mechanisms that force men to go against their nature to fit into their anti-man roles. The anti-man roles have themselves been created by these forces.

---------- Post added at 04:33 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:02 PM ----------

Here's what you said:

"It seems now that the east has begun to find personal freedoms more they are becoming more aware of the natural homosexual inclinations of man and are trying to segregate them by creating an entire new gender…… This is NOT a western idea."

You've said that we categorise natural 'homosexual' inclinations of man as a different gender, when the eastern culture can only be said to categorise (and I'm not supporting it) receptive anal sex as 'third gender.'

You're obviously equating 'homosexual' with 'receptive anal sex.'