Natural manhood

What do you know about gender identities? Have you spoken to western gay identified males about how comfortable they'd be, without a 'separate' identity? I have. And they reject the idea. They need a 'separate' label from the guys who have manhood. They just wrongly think that the guys with manhood are heterosexual. They confuse their 'heterosexual' outer/ social behavior with their manhood.

Have you spoken to the extremely feminine guys, the transgenders, whether or not they want an identity separate from the masculine, 'normal' males? There is nothing more that they could want.

The thing is, its a social need of the feminine male to have a distinct identity for the female in them. The masculine male space suffocates this female. Esp. in the West, where male femininity is extremely hated in straight gendered spaces. This female needs to have an identity, which identity is denied in the 'manhood' space.

On the other hand, does the sexual desire cry for a distinct identity from other men? Ask yourself honestly. How much does your sexuality for men crave for an identity, rather than just a space for fulfillment? Unless, its a feminine male desire for men, males hate the idea of a separate identity. It's actually, the feminine that is desiring that separation. It just gets confuses with 'homosexuality' -- and that is a deliberate confusion created by anti-man forces.

There is nothing wrong with giving a distinct label where it is valid and applicable.

And gender identities, of which whether one has a female identity or a male identity is an extremely important part, is more important to a person than his or her outer sex.

It's precisely because your society refuses the feminine males a distinct identity from 'men,' that they are forced to live like 'diseased' 'abormal' men, rather than as healthy third genders.

You know how far some of them go to escape the 'men' tag you force on them because they have male genitalia? Because you just won't recognize the female inside them?

They see themselves as females. Braving such strong social hostility, they take on women's names, adjectives, roles, dresses, mannerisms, yet, you insist on calling them 'he.' You create an immense hatred within them against their own male bodies, because, it comes in the way of their inner female being accepted in the society. In exasperation, you force some of them, to go for a sex change operation -- I've spoken to some western transgenders who went to the extent of cutting off his penis when he was just 14 (and he was 'heterosexual').

You force third genders to be either a man or a woman. You force them to think they're sick, if they're not either a man or a woman. You deny them the third gender identity.

And then you go on to misdefine 'third gender' as 'homosexual' complicating the matter even further. And thus not only persecuting the real 'third genders' but also male desire for men.

What are men without their desire for men? How can something which is an integral part of manhood, become a criteria for their separation from the mainstream?


This shows how little you know about male gender and sexuality.

Penetrating is the Gender role of the 'men' (the straight male). And being penetrated is the gender role of the 'third genders (the Queer male). Gender roles are artificially fixed by the society.

It's not because a male gets penetrated that he becomes a Queer. It's because, he's queer that he adopts openly the artificial role of being penetrated. While a masculine male that likes to be penetrated would hide it, be ashamed of it, because that is a queer gender role. Masculine males are forced to adopt penetration, whether or not they want to do it.

Are this gender roles right? NO. Do they result in persecution of 'men' (straight males)? YES.

So, we need to work against these gender roles (penetrater/ penetrated). We need to stop viewing penetration as a masculine quality and being penetrated as a feminine quality, because that is not based on reality.

But, is the way to go ahead, to change the penetrator-penetrated divide to 'heterosexual'-'homosexual' divide? To redefine the manhood gender as 'heterosexual' and the 'third genders' as 'homosexual'? I don't think so. This is taking the oppression of men to the extreme.

The answer is to remove these gender roles altogether, and keep the distinction between 'men' and 'third genders' to its basic, biological distinction of 'gender orientation'. Men means males with a male inner identity. And, 'third gender' means, males with a female inner identity. Whether one gets penetrated, or penetrates, or desires men, women, third genders, animals, rodents, no one ... that is all immaterial, as far as this identity should be concerned.


Their is a difference between 'male' and 'man.' Your society has forgotten that difference and has been trying to ascertain that difference artificially in terms of 'men' and 'real men,' 'men' and 'gays' and so on.

Then I wish you'd stop "trying not to care what happens in someone's bedroom" by dividing males into whether its a man in their bedroom or a woman. What choice does it leave men, if they're being identified and labelled on this basis -- to keep their bedroom matters into the bedroom?

Huh?

Third gender is an ancient identity. Your society always had it, though it went underground in much of the past 2000 years.

Third gender is not about so-called 'homosexual' inclinations at all. Third gender is about male effeminacy. Receptive sex is their gender role. But, you can be a third gender without receptive sex. However, according to your own definition, homosexual is more than receptive sex, isn't it? So, how is eastern definition of third gender as penetrated = defining them as 'homosexual'? The fact is that your own definitions are ambiguous and on purpose so.

A social identity as 'third gender' is different from the fact that third genders and male femininity are stigmatized in the world. Don't forget, that the concept of 'third gender' goes back to the most original societies, when third gender was not looked down upon at all. Rather, it was believed to be the most respected of all genders and referred to as 'two-spirited' and a representation of god itself.

And don't forget, that its your society that condemns and stigmatizes male femininity to such an extent. There is a lot of acceptance of male femininity in our society.