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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan
Aha, so you want us to agree with you and validate your position, in spite of having a -long- way to go before you can be said to have validated it to us.
Freebirthing, anyone?
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Did I say that you should agree with me unless you validate what I say?
Although, its a fact that while straight males will basically see what I mean, without much persuasion, whether or not they have the space to agree with me openly, what I call the vested interest groups or the forces that have a vested interest in anti-man social systems, will reject my stand as a 'political statement' even if they are forced to agree (becasue of compelling evidences) what I'm saying.
One of the biggest of these vested interests are the males who fit into the 'gay' category, and they have a direct vested interest in propagating the lie of 'sexual orientation.' And many of these 'homosexuals' are closeted and not necessarily 'out.' But they strongly relate with the entire concept of seeing 'homosexuality' (sic) and 'homosexuals' as different from whom they consider 'heterosexuals.'
The following are the people who basically fit into the 'homosexual' category:
Primary group: feminine gendered males who like men.
Other possible groups of males who fit in: Males who are deeply into receptive anal sex, and are addicted to it, and who are extremely promiscuous too, ie, those who need receptive anal sex so much that their need for manhood takes a back seat ... although I doubt if they really are 'men' (as opposed to being third genders), they probably belong to the primary group as well, although, their femininity may not be obvious at the outset.
This is not to say that all those who enjoy receptive anal sex, even as a their primary sexual preference, are feminine. Those who fit into the 'gay' category are feminine.
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Originally Posted by Natural manhood
Did I say that you should agree with me unless you validate what I say?
Although, its a fact that while straight males will basically see what I mean, without much persuasion, whether or not they have the space to agree with me openly, what I call the vested interest groups or the forces that have a vested interest in anti-man social systems, will reject my stand as a 'political statement' even if they are forced to agree (becasue of compelling evidences) what I'm saying.
One of the biggest of these vested interests are the males who fit into the 'gay' category, and they have a direct vested interest in propagating the lie of 'sexual orientation.' And many of these 'homosexuals' are closeted and not necessarily 'out.' But they strongly relate with the entire concept of seeing 'homosexuality' (sic) and 'homosexuals' as different from whom they consider 'heterosexuals.'
The following are the people who basically fit into the 'homosexual' category:
Primary group: feminine gendered males who like men.
Other possible groups of males who fit in: Males who are deeply into receptive anal sex, and are addicted to it, and who are extremely promiscuous too, ie, those who need receptive anal sex so much that their need for manhood takes a back seat ... although I doubt if they really are 'men' (as opposed to being third genders), they probably belong to the primary group as well, although, their femininity may not be obvious at the outset.
This is not to say that all those who enjoy receptive anal sex, even as a their primary sexual preference, are feminine. Those who fit into the 'gay' category are feminine.
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Originally Posted by The_Jazz
Mr. OP: I come from the camp of "I don't care what you do so long as you don't hurt anyone or anything that can't consent to being hurt." Really, this just seems to be an overly-long justification for something you feel. I know what I like and what I don't, and I have enough experiences under my belt to feel confident that those are my personal truths. Whatever yours are is for you to discover. Have fun with them.
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What's OP?
It's not about what individual people care about or don't care about. It's about how the society works. It's about how it classifies and arranges its people and human traits, what spaces it provides them. What category it puts them into. These things are extremely important, particularly for men. The 'manhood' space have always been a matter of life and death for men. To exclude 'man's need for intimacy for men' from 'manhood' category and merging it with the 'third gender' category, by defining the former as 'heterosexual' and the latter as 'homosexual' is anti-man, and this is the problem.
It's about the (western) society confusing gender with sexuality in a haphazard way.
Even if man's need for men finds space back in the manhood (straight) category, something it informally lost as Christianity started but formally lost only with the introduction of the concept of homosexuality, individuals may still agree or disagree with male sexuality for men.
It's about social manhood, not about individual freedom to do this or that.
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Originally Posted by Idyllic
NM, nothing you have to say here seems new to me......... and I definitely don't find your definitions of human sexuality and gender to be wisdom based at all, as a matter of FACT I find your thinking very antiquated.
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Antiquity is the answer. Your society changed the antiquity without justifying your changes.
You've been unable to justify sexual orientation. Or prove any of my contentions wrong. The entire concept of 'homosexuality' and sexual orientation is based upon the negation of 'gender' as a valid human trait. And, you cannot justify this negation either.
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Originally Posted by Cimarron29414
Alright. Call me judgemental. Call me insensitive to the plight of third gender, heterosexual men who like to have anal sex with second gender homosexual men while watching A-Team re-runs. I've read the compiled mass of thrice-typed bullshit in this thread, trying to find some understanding of this grand political revolution for which we've been called to action. All I've come up with is a bitter man who has mommie issues and projects them upon our lovely and far too patient female members.
Dude, if you think you are going to garner sympathy from a class of people who were denied voting rights, equal wages, and equal protections for over 200 years, simply because there is a sudden push for unisex bathrooms invading your "males spaces"...well, you have bigger, third gender, homosexual, super-masculine balls than me, my friend. Good luck with that!  |
You're probably a 'gay' chauvinist!!
I'm not looking for sympathy. If you did not notice, I'm in fact challenging your identity and the social beliefs that have created it.
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Originally Posted by Idyllic
Let me help you
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How other people describe his situation is hardly relevant here! The point is he has been challenging this social construction of man to man desire in the West, and even if he has to be a part of it.
And this is clear proof that it is not merely something that concerns men in the West, but is a valid and live issue in the West too.