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Originally Posted by Anonymous Member
They can do MUCH more than ask for ID with Probable Cause. Arrest is usually what happens at PC. A LEO can ask for ID at any time, and an individual can refuse and is free to leave up until the point the LEO develops Reasonable Suspicion.
It seems that you not only don't want the new law, but you'd like to roll back the current ones to make it easier on illegal immigrants.
Because hispanics make up the largest portion of our illegal immigrant population, they will have the largest percentage of arrests for illegal immigration. That's not profiling, that's statistics.
Anyhow, I'm out. Back to your normally scheduled discussion. Throw up a flare when you've solved the problem....
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The point is precisely that under the new Arizona law an individual can't refuse once the officer has "reasonable suspicion" that the person is an illegal immigrant. And that that "reasonable suspicion" will fall mostly on Hispanics.
As for your other claims: Bullshit, and if you've read the thread you'd know it.
My point here wasn't even about the illegal immigrants at all, but about the Americans who would be affected by it. Hispanic Americans will be significantly more likely to be stopped to check status than other Americans.
As for illegal immigrants, I support a national ID system, for example. But the problem here is an old one: people want tougher laws for others but not for themselves (just like certain groups during the healthcare debate at the same time complained about money going to illegal aliens, and then about the provision that people had to prove citizenship for certain benefits). I mean, if you want to get tough on illegal immigration, make it so everyone has to be subject to citizenship checks, not just those that the police think look like an illegal alien. Make the burden universal.
And for the record, that is only part of the reason the Arizona law is ridiculous. People say it is just a state version of the federal law, but that is not true. The Arizona law criminalizes a number of additional things. Stopping your car to hire someone (regardless of status)? It's now illegal. Transporting an illegal alien in your car, even if you don't know they are in the US illegally? Mandatory car impounding. And on and on... When Tom Tancredo thinks that the law goes too far, you know it goes toofar
Backlash already removed some of the most ridiculous parts, like the trespassing section that meant that illegal aliens could face harsher penalties than child sex abusers. Hopefully, the federal courts will do the rest.