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Originally Posted by dogzilla
If even a fraction of what's claimed here is true, it makes the uproar over the Arizona law rather silly and Mexican president Calderon's outrage rather hypocritical. Maybe instead of being outraged at the Arizona law, President Calderon should get his own country in order, and not by exporting his problems to the US.
Michelle Malkin Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens
Anyone who thinks this article is bogus is welcome to try to sneak into Mexico and report back here about what happened to them. |
So the goal is to have the second worst treatment of immigrants? As long as someone is worse it's ok?
And I think the issue is not so much how illegals are treated under the new law, but how the law treats everyone else. Short of seeing someone crossing the border, can anyone tell me, without using race or ethnicity, how to "reasonably suspect" anyone is an undocumented alien?
By the way, Mexico also has a national ID law. Every supporter of the Arizona law should also support a national ID. In fact, driver's licenses from states that don't check immigration status are not valid as proof of citizenship.
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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
I thought I might post some numbers, since I am a big fan of them regarding to this debate. I already am aware that most (here) who will disagree with them will automatically discredit them; fair enough, I've never really found numbers on the subject, so I'm giving them ball park credibility.
Plus or minus time (I'm rounding down on the figures).
-Illegal immigrants in the US 22 million +/- (by my awesome math skills I concluded that is roughly 7% of the population.
-Non-Mexican illegals in US 550,000+/- (2% of illegals)
They post some cute numbers about money wired out from USA to Latin America/South America, really irrelevant.
-Cost of social services paid to illegal immigrants since 1996 just south off 400 billion.
-Number of illegal's children in America's public school system north of 5 million
-Cost of educating illegals since 1996, north of 160 billion dollars US.
-Number of illegals incarcerated in US +/- 420,000.
-Cost of alleged incarcerations is fairly low at a cool $24 billion since 1996
-Skilled jobs provided to illegals, which I don't know how to define, is listed at +/- 11 million.
-And Anchor babies, which I assume would be illegal's naturalizing kids in the US, is listed at +4 million.
Website is Immigration Counters.com - Live Counters, News, Resources, they post some interesting numbers. Like how Mexico has an unemployment rate of +/- 5% which later verified at Cia.gov, there poverty rate is at 18% which is only 6% higher than the US. Apparently they are also home to the Richest man on the planet. Oh and switching gears but hilarious none the less America's public debt is 52% of the GDP. |
Wow, so out of the 22 million, 5 million are children, and 11 million are employed in skilled jobs? Another half a million are in jail? So unskilled illegal immigration workers is just 5.5 million? And illegal immigrants actually occupy skilled positions at a higher rate than most Americans?
And a full half of all Latinos in this country are illegal immigrants?
This is why I don't trust sources with an agenda. If you want non partisan data, try the DHS or PEW.
Regarding jobs, the number of actual jobs "lost" to illegal immigrants is much smaller than the actual number of jobs illegal immigrants have.
And regarding their costs, anything that ignores how much tax they pay is suspect. Even the ones that don't pay income taxes still pay sales/property/etc. taxes.