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Originally Posted by Charlatan
Determinism, if followed to its logical conclusion, can have all the appearances of agency but ultimately cannot contain any choice. All action and inaction, all conformity or non conformity, etc. is the result of external forces.
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I admit that it does sound kind of depressing. I think that agency does exist, but that can only occur as an immediate extension of all that has come before it based on both external and internal forces.
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There is no room for morality or ethics in a determined world... and that bothers me.
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I think that there is room for morality and ethics in a determined world. They are just two of the many variables which can affect the outcome of a decision. I think that saying "there's no such thing as free will" is exactly the same thing as saying that every decision a person makes is the natural result of all relevant factors. So if morality is important to a person, that person's decisions will factor in morality (whatever morality happens to mean to that person).
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Originally Posted by Ourcrazymodern?
What bothers me is beautiful individuals not appreciating themselves.
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Me too. I try to appreciate myself as much as I can. Sometimes too much. I appreciate my circumstances as much as I can because I know that shit happens. I still don't necessarily feel all that inclined to take credit for where I'm at.