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Old 04-21-2010, 12:26 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by aceventura3 View Post
This is an example of doublespeak in my opinion. What is real is pretty clear, it easy to define and easy to understand. it takes effort to convolute truth.
This is probably for another thread, but I dispute the existence of "truth", especially in the domain of politics.

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Originally Posted by aceventura3
There are certain "things" in the universe subject to illusion, "looking at" stuff may be one of them, on the other hand there are certain "things" in the universe that are not subject to illusion, i.e., 1+1=2. Perceptions of the severity of a recession is subjective, but the calculated economic indicators used to measure economic activity are not. For example, Obama only talks subjectively about the economy unless a data point supports his political cause at the time he says it, people who actually take the time to look at data points are not fooled by subjective commentary. There is a known and objective reality.
You assume, in this paragraph, the reality and existence of at least the following things:
- Numbers
- Recessions
- Economic indicators
- Money
- Data
- Time
- "Being fooled"

It may be that some of these are real (though I could make a case to the contrary about all of them), what I'm pointing out is the ASSUMPTION you're making that they are. Obviously none of them are real the way my desk here is real. If they are real, they're real in a different way. Perhaps they're only real as a shared delusion.

I'm clear I'm the one guy talking philosophy in a political thread here, so... Feel free to ignore this. Seriously. Once I put these thoughts together in a coherent way, I'll start a thread on it specifically.

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