View Single Post
Old 04-12-2010, 06:10 AM   #23 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru
warrior bodhisattva
 
Baraka_Guru's Avatar
 
Super Moderator
Location: East-central Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cimarron29414 View Post
Really? Do you not see the irony in this statement? I'm sorry but I have to call you out on this. Every policy I have ever seen you support has concentrated power in the government and away from individuals. Now, because that government misuses the power you so willingly handed them (well, not you because you are not an American, but would have done it had you been one) you bemoan that the power is no longer in the individual?
Where power is concerned, we cannot so easily pin responsibility on the level of the individual. This is because power isn't concentrated in individuals so much as in groups or organizations, both political and nonpartisan.

Yes, I believe in a strong central government, but I also believe in a certain level of individual power. Unfortunately individual power is limited, which is why we give power to larger groups. It's an intricate social system that, with hope, will work to ensure the fair treatment of individuals, in addition to ensuring the rights and freedoms of individuals. This is what I mean by power being concentrated more in groups rather than the individual.

If an individual wants to make changes, said individual won't go far on his or her own. This is a reality when working within a society.

My comments referred to the problem of not being able to pin blame or responsibility in cases where it could be said that a group is responsible. Blame Bush? No, blame his administration; blame the Republicans; blame complacent taxpayers. See, you don't get very far.

This is why systems of power require systems of checks and balances to ensure empowered groups are subject to the rule of law. I'm more familiar with the Canadian government system than I am with the American system. You want to know what happens when the shit hits the fan here? Depending on the situation, there is a vote of non-confidence. And when opposing parties/members get enough votes for that? Goodbye government. It gets flushed and we head to the polls to get the public's opinion how the new government should be made up.

We also have several arm's reach bodies that act as watchdogs on the various offices of government. The Members of Parliament can use the information reported therein as material for their proceedings in the House. It's a matter of public record. Even matters that aren't for public record, you can be sure the government is going to be held accountable when it comes to light that the government has done something untoward.

But that's Canada. I don't see this kind of thing happening much in the U.S. Maybe I'm missing something. What recourse does the American public have?

EDIT: And what roachboy said, especially the part about the fiction author/failed philosopher Ayn Rand.
__________________
Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing?
—Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön

Humankind cannot bear very much reality.
—From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

Last edited by Baraka_Guru; 04-12-2010 at 06:21 AM..
Baraka_Guru is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360