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Old 04-11-2010, 09:54 AM   #104 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Tully Mars View Post
Sounds like you're interesting in "punishing" one group way more then the other.

Also- You might want to look into the history of SS and why it was started, cause..



Is highly inaccurate.
I'm not interested in punishing anyone. You brought it up, I threw the other direction at you. Although, the war on drugs/poverty/education are equally as stupid as the war on Iraq - with no better outcome for all the money thrown at it.

Look at the age at which the SS benefit was dispersed at the time the program was created and cross-reference that value with the average life span of Americans at the time. If you did the same thing for today's life span, one wouldn't qualify for SS until the age of 84 or so. Hence, it's obvious it was only supposed to cover those who live a REALLY long time (as opposed to the current benefit which they started issuing as early as 65 and have had to move it because of the debacle (your word) it has become.)

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Originally Posted by dippin View Post
No, my point is that people would have to keep paying for a long period of time in order to not cut any current benefits and not generate additional deficits. Chile did what you want to do in 1981, but for 20 years the old pension system still cost about 20% of gdp, which was a significant chunk of the government's budget.

As for the other point. I'm not a liberal in the American sense of the word. I'm more of an old social democrat. But when you look at what both self described conservatives and liberals want to cut from the budget, and what they want to keep, the only real difference is that liberals are ok with increasing taxes. the vast majority of so called conservatives are just as opposed to cutting social security, medicare, and aid to the poor as liberals.
dippin,

I'm not focusing on just SS. That just happened to be the program I chose to counter someone's farm subsidies assertion. There are many other programs I would cut. Some of the taxes from those programs would then be diverted to offset SS until it was fully phased out.
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