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Originally Posted by guccilvr
I wonder what would happen if there were no pawns and no desire to put the pawn training into action.
Oh. right. we'd be speaking a different language.
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I wasn't being sarcastic when I said I'm not surprised. I'm sorry you can disagree all you want, people know ahead of time that the military is tool of war, and war involves killing hundreds of thousands of people just because a few overly important people have a severe disagreement or fear of eachother.
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
Isn't this like saying lawyers want lawlessness; doctors want people to be sick and injured; firefighters want fires to break out; paramedics want horrific accidents; coroners want people to die...?
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This is a chicken vs the egg argument obviously, the difference is, the concept of government, the concept of military, the concept of authority is a manmade concept. War is a giant exercise in strawman-esque tactics to settle a dispute.
"this land is mine"
"no! it's mine!"
"I disagree so I'm going to tell these people I pay to shoot the people you pay"
Ever play chess? Many of the pieces have much more relevance and importance in carrying out strategy and winning the conflict, but fuck those guys, it's the king that matters.
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Originally Posted by Plan9
Yeah, our "clique is dumb." Incredibly ironic quip.
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Yeah that's the 2nd time you've said something "witty" about my tagline, considering you have dick-all knowledge about why I put it there and it being my own inside joke, I will offer you the chance to explain the irony if you so choose to do so.
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Originally Posted by FuglyStick
"Pawn"
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You know, I'd hate to violate any board rules, but seeing as how I was one of those enlisted men at one time, I'm going to count the above quote as a violation itself, and tell you to fuck yourself, dickwad.
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You seriously think my post is a violation because I used the word pawn? Your response is a perfect example of why conflict exists. Instead of asking me to explain myself, instead of trying to UNDERSTAND what makes me different from you, instead of respecting that people ARE different than you and will think/act differently than you, you've secured yourself in a position of "knowing" it all, being infallible, and lashing out at me firing off the verbal first strike with operation "Fuck yourself, dickwad" all shock and awe style. *shrug*
Why is this your 1st reaction? You're only making my case against the military think-tank process by admitting you were previously enlisted yourself. In fact you're not the only enlisted to jump my ass about my views, but you know what? not a single fucking one of you bother to ask me to explain, you instantly jump in to hostile mode and it's up to me to act the part of being civilized and making the peace, enlightening people that knowledge, acceptance, negotiation, compromise and a more selfless vision of the future is all I'd rather focus on in the grand view of humanity in 10,000 years. I am by no means a perfect representation of the human I'd like to see in everyone, but I would sure as hell try to opt for the more peaceful path, not only in conversation, but physical manifestation.
The military trains people to kill other people, then tells them to go kill other people.They do it because if they don't, they get thrown in prison amongst other things. Soldiers are not civilians, they don't get the freedom to say "no, I don't want to fight, I just want the paycheck" Regardless of the many other things the military does. I'm not just slamming the U.S. Military here, I'm slamming pawns in general from any nation.
I understand the concept of nationalism from an economic standpoint, being the mess that it is anyways, I've never really understood it from a conflict perspective though. how does drawing lines that defines "which people I can kill, vs which people I will protect" serve humanity as a whole? Everyone standing in that circle is my friend, everyone outside of it? We'll just wing it.
Yeah I know I come across like an unrealistic peace sign flinging hippy but guys..
War is just an ouroboros, the cycle won't break, the chicken & egg shit has been done to death on this, the point is even with all the hyperbole of "we'd all be speaking another language" (which btw, why does it really matter?) the point is, as an individual, I think it's rather clear that the function of the military is to kill. Knowing that, if you enlist, you're a pawn to that directive even if you were hoping not to kill anyone, because they can stick you in a sandbox halfway across the world in a situation where you have no choice but to comply or suffer the fate of being killed yourself by the other team, who, ironically, might just so happen to be in your shoes.
Whether a US soldier dies, or an insurgent dies, it changes nothing, it's the idea, the motive, the will, the reason... that needs to die. The idea that killing a couple hundred thousand people here and there makes you "right" in the global theatre of things.
Anyways, I don't spit on people who serve, I have friends who currently serve, the military does offer a compelling lifestyle in financial incentives, education, and travel experiences to people who feel hopeless to attain the status via civilian methods, but it doesn't mean that everyone who joins is gambling on a better life vs hoping they don't have to kill someone.
Man don't take my word for it, even the recruiters try to go after kids who would join gangs by telling them that the military is the biggest gang in the world. So again, it does not surprise me, it disappoints me.
Is that clear?
I swear to god, you act like I kicked your puppy with this barrage of over-reactionary responses I just had to deal with.