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Old 04-08-2010, 10:27 AM   #287 (permalink)
aceventura3
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Originally Posted by dc_dux View Post
If it is so rational to suggest that people will quit a job for a lower paying job simply to qualify for govt assistance, then the data should be available to support it.
There is, but there are problems with the data.

I remember posting data on the sexual activity of young males and young females. The data show males have more sex with more partners than females. It is clear that males tend to exaggerate sexual activity and females will understate sexual activity, but the reality is that (even adjusting for same sex activity) the numbers should be even.

People generally don't give up good jobs simply because of government assistance, I never stated that, you simply created a straw-man argument here. what I do say is that the presence of government assistance influences behaviors, primarily on the margins when there are large marginal cost sifts (or "tax") based on arbitrary benefit cut offs. If a person can shift costs, for example, amounting to 50% of their income, by doing or not doing a small act, they have a big financial incentive to do so. I am not even interested in looking for a study that shows that, and if you don't believe it - don't.

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Or perhaps it represents such a small percentage of those receiving govt assistance that it is not an issue worth discussing further.
Are you suggesting the point is real but is small or are you still holding the position that the point is not real, you got me confused now? If it is a question of the "size" of the issue, perhaps there is more to discuss, because I think the "size" of the problem is a legitimate concern.

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Originally Posted by filtherton View Post
Do you just trade out people to argue here? Are there two or three of you?

In your previous post you were shocked, SHOCKED that I'd interpreted your words in the way that I did. Then, after I went back and showed you why I interpreted your words the way I did, you realize that, yes, I interpreted them correctly. So then you just continue on like you were never lost and I didn't have to remind you of what the hell you were talking about.
My views on this subject are clear to me, have not changed, and won't change. Everything else is related to my inability to communicate clearly with you. I am willing to start fresh, if you think it would help, and I will respond directly to any question you have regarding my point of view on this subject.
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