Horsepuckey.
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Originally Posted by samcol
People in this thread are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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Bullshit. And I could say your flagrant disregard for the law is the reason why we have concealed carry laws in the first place.
See what I'm getting at?
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Originally Posted by samcol
It's not like having a ccw permit somehow gets you out of trouble if you have to use your weapon. The whole system is against you if you are a law abiding citizen trying to defend yourself. If you carry a gun then you have to accept the fact that you could see serious jail time, regardless of permit status.
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Of course having a CCW permit doesn't get you out of trouble. Shooting someone, whether right or wrong in the end, will always equate to you having your gun confiscated, the cops perceiving you as a threat (you did just shoot someone), you getting cuffed and taken down town so they can sort the incident out. That's how it works. You can't just bust a cap in someone and expect law enforcement to show up, buy your side of the story, and go on their way. They have a job to do. Consider a CCW permit as a kind of superficial character witness; you had to be
X type of "good" person to get it.
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Originally Posted by samcol
If he's willing to face the consequences of carrying without a permit what's the big deal honestly?
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Uh... logic?
"If Richard Ramirez was willing to face the consequences of being a serial killer, what's the big deal honestly?"
The problem of him being a willing dumbass is that it looks bad for the rest of us. He becomes a part of the statistics that people use to say gun owners are dangerous. I'm only speaking to the concealed carry violation part. If he lives in a locale where he can legally conceal a gun in his vehicle or he engages in open carry, that's fine. But when he violates a law because he thinks its wrong, he's doing a disservice to all gun owners.
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Originally Posted by samcol
Can't we all admit how ridiculous a permit to carry is? The bad guys will carry a gun anyway and the good guys have to pay fees to be 'legal' and have to put up with harassment from cops and society in general to just exercise the right to defend themselves.
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As much as I dislike the CCW permit concept, I see how it works. The idea is that only law-abiding citizens will actually go and seek one out and thus those with said permits are generally more trustworthy than any old gangsta douchebag that tucks a Glock in the waistband of his sweatpants "just in case." I've never run into a CCW permit holder that acted like a dumbass with a firearm. I've met plenty of idiots who own handguns, though.
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Bro, I wish we lived in a world where there were only good people and no gun laws... but then we wouldn't need defensive firearms.