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Originally Posted by dc_dux
You have data to prove the issue is real...that people take a cut in pay in order to get govt. assistance?
I dont doubt you can find a few anecdotal examples....but it far from the norm.
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What is the unwed birth rate for those in poverty?
What was that rate before the "war on poverty"?
What do you think are the top 10 contributors to the trend of unwed births in low income areas?
How does the trend in unwed birth in low income areas compare to middle and upper class income areas? Why are the trend lines different?
I can not persuade you, I know that, but if you honestly looked at this issue, the way that I have, your conclusions would be very similar to mine.
the fundamental issue I have with the liberal approach to issues like this is the presumption that poor people are not rational. What is common or not, here is what you want to believe:
Example: Joe 22 years old, with a job paying $27,000 per year, and a girl friend, who is 18. He loves her, and he just got good news on two fronts. First he was offered a promotion to be a crew chief, it offers $1,100 dollars more per year. His girl friend tells him she is pregnant. He is on cloud nine, and says let's get married.
His girl friend already did some research and knows that she can get free prenatal care, free delivery, free post natal care, coverage for her child, food and diapers. Adding all that up over two years it comes to a value of let's say $12,000.
If they get married they are looking at his income of $28,100, or $100 over the cut-off. So, marriage will cost them $12,000.
You think they are not rational, I do.
They don't get married - his connection to his family is weakened. What may have been the beginnings of a wonderful family has been hurt by government policy. I say rather than these arbitrary cut-off and high "marginal tax" (or loss of benefit) situations, let's come up with a better solution.
I don't get it, why do you keep playing pretend with these real world issues?