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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
First of all, I have a question: do you want us to take you seriously?
Second, I don't know where Dick Morris is getting his data, but the WHO numbers show that between Canada and the U.S. the cancer mortality rates are far more parallel.
The cost of universal health care and the challenges it poses to budgets in the developed world is something that needs to be addressed. The problem with the U.S. is not universal health care in itself, it's the cost of health care period. It is much higher than it is compared to most (if not all) developed nations. The costs need to be reigned in somehow. Also, the U.S. needs to reexamine its overall budget. It might want to consider the dollars it spends on its military budget. I don't think its currently getting a good return for its investment. How's that for a reality?
As for "American Exceptionalism," I don't think I know what that is. All I can say at this point is that it sounds like a myth.
And how does an accountant record "freedom" on the ledger and balance sheet?
If you need something better, how do you propose getting health care to all members of American society?
I know they did it wrong. It's not quite universal health care so much as it is a national insurance plan.
What should be done?
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How about this study, how many will it take to realize the truth, it is what it is.
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Cancer mortality: USA versus the European model of "universal health care"
February 15, 6:12 PM Health Care Policy Examiner Dr. Saul William Seidman
In January 2009 Canada's population was 33,504,700.
The USA's population was 305,000,000.
Estimated new cases of colorectal cancer in Canada 22,000; estimated deaths 9,100. The mortality rate is 0.0272% of Canada's population.
In the USA, new cases of colorectal cancer 146,970; estimated deaths 49,920. Mortality rate is 0.0164%. The difference is about 160%.
More than twice as many Canadians die from the same illness. The above numbers are derived from the American Cancer Society and Colon Cancer Canada statistics.
Overall cancer survival rates according to Lancet Oncology:
American women have a 63% chance of living at least 5 years after a cancer diagnosis compared to 56% for European women.
American men have a five-year survival rate of 66%--compared to 47% for European men
American men with bladder cancer survival is 15% higher than the European average
American men with prostate cancer survival is 28% higher
American women with uterine cancer survival is 5% higher
American women with breast cancer survival is 14% higher
Survival of skin melanoma, breast, prostate, thyroid and testicular cancers are 90% or higher in the USA. In Europe the only 90% survival is testicular cancer.
Canada also trails the USA in cancer survival: for men 61% USA, 58% Canada, for women 57% USA, 53% Canada
The BBC reported: "Huge gap in world cancer survival"
The USA had the highest five-year cancer survival rates for breast cancer at 83.9% and prostate cancer at 91.9%.
The UK had the lowest five-year cancer survival rates for breast cancer at 69.7% and prostate cancer at 51.1%.
The UK began its government run health care system in 1948. The UK has the largest bureaucratic health care system in the world with 1.4 million employees. If the Obama/Reid/Pelosi health care fiasco becomes law, the cancer survival rates in the USA will drop and the bureaucracy will grow.
Harry Reid said that the elderly in the USA would have to get used to the problems of aging. No doubt he too will allow his family and himself to not expect superior medical treatment. He plans to suffer with the rest of us. Just ask him if he will become part of the Obama/Pelosi/Reid government run program?
Further reading:
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pag...th/7510121.stm
Betsy McCaughey, "U.S. Cancer Care Is Number One", National Center for Policy Analysis, Brief Analysis
Colon Cancer Canada - Statistics 2009
American Cancer Society, Inc. Surveillance and Health Policy Research, "Estimated New Cancer Cases and Deaths by Sex, US 2009"
http://news-political.com/2009/08/13...projected-to-b
Saul William Seidman, MD, FACS, Inevitable Incompetence, Soaring Medical Costs,
Dangerous Medical Care, available at amazon.com
Saul William Seidman, MD, FACS, Trillion Dollar Scam, Exploding Health Care Fraud, available at amazon.com
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What part of facts is misrepresented here, I can find more articles by professionals that say the same thing, whether you like it or not, this is the reality of government controlled health care plans.
As for American Exceptionalisms being myth, or notating a sense of superiority, you all need to stop this inane attack on semantics, it seems less like me being irrational and more like others being unable to grasp the basic definition of a word or attempting to alter it to fit there own definition.
If you can’t recognize the base concept of exceptiolism for what it is as opposed to a comment of superiority or self worth, then you don’t understand the fundamental expression of this word or what its definition represents to the U.S. and it’s uniqueness, Tocqueville is lost on you, oh well.
As for “myth,” I’m beginning to think the world is full of a lot of you myth graspers who live in your “it will all be wonderful” world were health care is free and service is exceptional, therein lies the true myth, magazines in the lobby, enjoy your wait.
SilentMethod70, read the definition of American Exceptionalism again, this time without any preconceived notions, or contempt for my post, if it still doesn't make sense, read Tocqueville. Leave it to the left to pervert a perfectly good word.
Stop pigeon holing conservative remarks as ignorant, elitist, chicken little's and look in the mirror at the reality of your own remarks and what they represent, hopelessly lost in wishful thinking.
Apparently being taken seriously on this sight seems to depends on whether you agree with "them" or not.
Economics of the Health Care Reform = VAT