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Originally Posted by boink
you live in the Great NorthWet ? heh I'm in Seattle so maybe you already do. maybe I'm lucky
I agree, $400/mo is anal rape. I don't see why group rates are wrapped around work, why not family groups regardless of age or weather they are dependent on each other ? or neighborhood groups or ..? the company I work for has like 12 employees and my bosses brother in law is a Dr. so he can get a special deal I spose.
I dunno, I just assume I'm fucked either way. the American worker is born to lubricate the machine of the rich, nothing more.
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Yeah, I'm up in Birch Bay. About 9 miles south of the border. Bellingham has a lot going for it, but efficient government isn't one of them.
There are provisions in the bill for co-ops, groups formed to pool resources like a company would to buy insurance. And the 'Exchange' program which allows the states to act as a co-op offering multiple insurers. But the numbers posted are the CBO's estimates for those programs. The single payer non-group was higher.
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Originally Posted by dippin
Which bill has those sections? Because neither the bill voted by the house nor the amendments included through reconciliation have those section numbers. In fact, there isn't a single mention of the word "felony" on the bill.
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Indeed it is not in the bill, it is in the IRS tax code. The IRS being the monetary arm of the bill makes all tax law applicable. Unfortunately this is being over looked by most. Currently the bill has wording to the effect "no penalty shall be incurred for lack of excise payment". But the fact remains, it does come under the tax code with all of the other penalties in the bill. They are even defined as excise taxes. Not penalties. Ask any tax evader how understanding the IRS is when it comes to evasion. Do you really think they are hiring 2000 new agents, specifically for this program, so you can get away without paying?
Another section I haven't seen mentioned is 'citizen confirmation'. This falls under the Department of Homeland Security. They have even more freedom to invade and destroy your life than the IRS. Not to mention access to every government data base in the country.
Being a skeptic I have to ask myself why? Why make it a tax instead of a fine or penalty? Why have HLS involved at all? To date, the state, your employer or health care provider have been perfectly capable of confirming your citizenship. But this will be handled by the most powerful law enforcement agency ever conceived in a free country. And like the IRS, they don't play by the same rules as the rest of the country or the constitution for that matter. These are the only two agencies in our country for which you are guilty and must prove your innocence. So yes, their involvement makes me nervous and causes me to ask. Why?