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Old 03-25-2010, 11:34 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Zeraph, they did not die at 40 from "hard life" or disease. You were more likely to die at 40 living here in "civilization". Yes - you look back in history and imagine knights and kings living 100 years. Look at the serfs, slaves, or the early city people. They were 90% of the population.

Tarahumara tribe: http://www.menshealth.com/men/fitnes...10000013281eac winning a marathon at 58
Hadza tribe: http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/20.../finkel-text/1 they don't care what year it is. or what month, day, hour. Imagine that. I have to look at the clock, and get to bed early, work tomorrow. Repeat. Die. They get to sit by the fire each evening, for as long as they want. And they are not just "waiting for us to save them".

Give me some links. Benjamin Franklin said - people were running from "us" to live with them. Maybe because they liked being stressed with that horrible "gift economy".
The real "gift economy" : you hunt something you share with your camp. You depend on them and they on you. You know everyone else would do the same. That's the culture you were brought up in. Imagine a group of friends, they are on a mountain trip and only one eats. Maybe even asks for "compensation" from others if they want to eat!

Hunter Gatherers And The Golden Age Of Man
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When I say hunter gatherers, you think nasty, brutish and short, and that's a misconception that's kept us in an exhausting race we can't win for 10,000 years.

They're actually generally well fed, have more time off, and better sex lives than most of us protestant work ethic fools.

The hamster wheel of our lives keeps us lunging for the dangling carrot, unaware that somewhere in a remote desert, in a land so desolate that our ancestors thought it unworthy of seizure, there are men and women with easily-filled stomachs napping and socializing as we spend ourlives in toil.
Again - I am not writing here for us to return to that. It's impossible. Too many of us. I am proposing a system that saves the planet and frees people.

http://www.insurgentdesire.org.uk/egocide.htm
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This is the primal war: the refusal of life to be domesticated. It is the refusal of wildness to become ordered and civilized. It is the spirit that refuses to die.

It is not about a certain people, place or time: it is about life. Those who know that spirit without mediation have always put up the hardest fight. There was no fight or revolution for abstract ideals, for some unknown or unknowable place of undefined and questionable freedom as individuals. The fight was about something felt, something innate. The fight, then, now and always, is the rage of the spirit of life and wildness. It knows no isolation or mediation. It grows through the cracks in the sidewalk and the refusal of toxins in our bodies. It will stop for nothing and it is extremely deadly.
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