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Originally Posted by filtherton
So some possibly bad things "may" happen. Like how the stock market was going to tank immediately after the bill was signed?
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Who predicted that? On a day to day basis there can be many factors that move the market, the long-term question is will the net impact of this legislation be positive or negative - we won't know the answer until decades from now. the concern I have is the unwillingness of some to look at this issue objectively.
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I'm not saying nothing bad or unintended won't happen. What I think should be more clear is that there are always unintended consequences, especially with something this huge- so of course the plan is loaded with unintended consequences.
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Obama sold this to the public on pure fantasy. We are going to cover millions more, lower costs, cut taxes, reduce premiums, and reduce the deficit. Did you, or do you actually believe that? If you don't, did others? Why? Why didn't more questions get asked?
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As for honest and open debate, well, that wasn't really possible. It's like raiaiainainaianinanaiannan on your wedding day. Who woulda though? It figgers.
A more useful metric would require weighing the bad things that "may" happen with the good things that "may" happen. So that individual predictions of doom would be balanced out by individual predictions of improvement.
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that would have been a good start.
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Originally Posted by Tully Mars
Sounds like several excellent arguments for removing employer paid health care to a single payer system.
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I actually believe we need single payer or a "free market" system. Our current system and the legislation that just passed is a mess. We did not really fix the underlying problems and we still have a system that is unfair.
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Originally Posted by Willravel
Other consequences there might be:
- Having kids stay on their parent's coverage until age 26 could inspire scientists to develop an anti-aging drug that prevents people from aging past 26, thus allowing people to perpetually stay under their parent's plans. The healthcare industry collapses in a decade and mankind devolves into hunter-gatherers again from a lack of modern medicine. Plants evolve emotions and become the dominant form of life on earth.
- Mandated healthcare in 2014 hits, but no one notices because the earth was destroyed in 2012 by space-Mayans.
- Once preexisting conditions have to be covered by the healthcare industry, people are more lax with the use of radioactive materials and the rates of birth defects and mutations skyrockets. The resulting Mutant Registration Act (or Proposition X), will split the mutant population and cause a civil war. Captain America will be assassinated.
Why was there never an open and transparent debate about sentience in plants?
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Funny stuff.
The reason I posted what I posted is because today real people are making real decisions, affecting real people because of this new legislation. There are consequences. If one company faces a $100 million charge, to pretend that won't impact future decisions is kinda silly, isn't it? The CBO score doesn't account for these kinds of variables, the CBO score was virtually worthless.