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Originally Posted by Idyllic
It is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to do this to the American people; the Federal government cannot mandate all Americans to purchase whatever they decide we should buy.
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The courts exist to decide what is and is not constitutional. So far, they don't seem to be on your side.
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If they want to tax us, TAX US, a flat rate for health care, that may be a consideration, but then the insurance companies would be out, and they don't want that, the insurance companies would not have helped to push it through.
Don't any of you get that the insurance company wanted this too, they paid and pushed for it to pass and not because they love Americans, but because they love the money it will make them, what’s with the middle man Obama, why pay a middle man for health care when the government will inevitably be in control.
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Actually, we do understand this, and you'll find many of us would prefer single-payer. Setting aside the issue of
how much we need election reform and how that relates to this topic, the United States is designed, in many ways, to elicit compromise. As much as you may not like it, this bill does represent a compromise between the two major sides on this issue, because if you hate this bill just imagine if me, many other TFPers, and, well, most people I know wrote the bill. This bill is not an overhaul - I struggle to even call it a reform - it is really just a tweak in health insurance regulations. Many other Americans would prefer something much more overtly socialist (yes, I said it), but we're accepting of this compromise because we understand that's how the process works. You'll note, by the way, that the constitution does not require that we remain now and forever a capitalist nation.
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The bill states over and over again how there will be governmental intervention in all aspects of health care from preventative care to end of life, and not just hello care, we are talking affirmative action care with investigations on all matters from you to the doctors to the hospitals.
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How many times do we have to ask for citations before we actually get any? You've got someone associated with the insurance industry (rahl), public policy (dc_dux), and electoral politics (me) in here - you can't just say "the bill does X!" and expect us not to ask where you get that from.
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If you look you can find plenty of articles that talk of the down-fall of governmental health care, the delays the lack of continuity the lack of follow-up and follow-through the lack of equipment and the shortages of supplies, etc.
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You can find plenty of articles on anything under the sun. The question is not how many anecdotes you can find, but what the general result is. So far, looking around the world, government-run healthcare is looking pretty good compared to our system.
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This is the wrong bill. It really is that simple and those who disagree don’t truly understand the freedom of being an American, and what the repercussion of the loss of that freedom this represents, not to mention the precedence it will set if it does become law and what additional doors of socialist impositions it will open.
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Now here we get to a part that I take offense to, because it reads much like Sarah Palin's assertion of "real Americans." I've tried to point it out before, but I'll say it again: we are just as American as you are. This is, for many people, a moral imperative. Funny how for all the talk of the US being a "Christian nation" (not necessarily by you), there are so many people who are unwilling to admit that access to health care is a fundamental right. That is yet another way in which the United States is lagging behind the rest of the world. More unfortunate is that we
have declared that health care is a human right, in the form of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which was written, in part, by Eleanor Roosevelt, and adopted by the United States. These are not new ideas, and the really amazing thing amidst all this outrage is that this "reform" is ridiculously tame compared to what most proponents of health care reform would prefer.
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Originally Posted by Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 25, Section 1
Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
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