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Originally Posted by ottopilot
Oh that heartless logic! Let's not let problem solving get in the way of solving problems. It's heartless to imagine that we stoop to using problem solving techniques, honest accounting principles, and responsibility to actually solve anything. It's all about the team and how it feels.
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Originally Posted by ottopilot
Show me the official statement of "the problem" regarding health care. If there is one, then I want to see how they broke each issue down, analyzed, defined solutions with success criteria, and how to execute the specific measures. If I've missed that anywhere, then I'll reverse my opinion.
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Expense to quality ratio is the main problem. I doubt anyone not on the healthcare industry's payroll would disagree. The United States does not enjoy as beneficial a ratio of expense to quality as all of our Western industrialized peers. Countries with GDP smaller than California enjoy higher quality care than anywhere in the US, and yet we by far pay the most money on average in the entire world for care.
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Originally Posted by ottopilot
To acknowledge that there are problems is not dispassionate. I believe there are problems with a variety of factors related to "health care" costs. However, I want them detailed and documented. If government is not up to accountability, how can I be assured of their competency or sincerity.
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What accountability do you require? What of Medicare is so hidden?
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Originally Posted by ottopilot
Who is it that "fell" before us? Most likely more political tools who sold us all another one-size-fits-all, chicken-in-every-pot, pie-in-the-sky solution full of villains, victims and saints. Success rates for what? What are you measuring in these comparisons? The debate is plenty here and everywhere, but aren't you at least curious about what exactly is wrong? What is right about it? Do you believe we shouldn't attempt to fix the bad things first rather than encumber everyone with this giant albatross? There are far more unknowns in this legislation (for me) to accept it as a responsible solution.
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It might be faster to list countries that have not yet jumped into universal-style healthcare. Just in Europe alone, there's Austria, Andorra, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, San Marino, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine and the United Kingdom.
What's wrong is much, but mainly it's a for profit system which benefits from covering the healthy and is hindered by covering the unhealthy. The unhealthy, which could be either of us at a moment's notice, are not served by the market option, thus another option is necessary for a free society's stability in part depends on wealth. Our peers don't have this problem.