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after reading whatever that is above, i went outside on my deck and looked up and sure enough the sky was not falling. things continued to unfold. it was amazing.
i find it incomprehensible that anyone can seriously argue that the current discriminatory medical service delivery system is desirable as an ethical matter not to mention a political one.
i would have preferred something stronger something that went further.
i would have preferred a more structured and coherent debate about the underlying ethical and political problems that attend the american medical system, which is a form of routinized class warfare.
i would have preferred the right had been marginalized earlier and more decisively.
but things are as they are. i have not seen a single coherent critique from a conservative position.
i just went out onto my deck again. the sky continues not to fall.
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This isn’t about the sky falling it is about the basic concepts of the American Constitutional way of checks and balances and laissez-faire. Its about the fundamental process owed to all American citizens before a decision is made about a nationally altering bill, without our vote, the peoples vote, it is unconstitutional. These unalienable rights for a democratic process were guaranteed to us by our founding fathers. With the reported purchase of votes and the pressure of politics, Obama will alter this forever, the Constitution will never be treated the same again.
I appreciate that you would have liked to have seen more accomplished. I also would like to have seen more, heard more, and understood more of this bill before now, before I am forced to bow to it. But I would have liked it even more if Americans had been offered more of an informed, educated voice in the decision. Maybe a healthcare reform consensus, where we could get an idea of what people thought of this bill before it becomes a law, which would have helped.
This is routinized class warfare, it’s just going to take time for it to rear it’s ugly socialist head, be patient, if this bill passes, equality of the “classes” will be oh, so, obvious. Eventually those who pay will feel nothing but contempt for those who don’t. Instead of a nation known for producing great philanthropic citizens, we will become a nation of great mediocrity. The sky has nothing to do with it, except that under this new bill, reaching the skies limits for the next generation may become easier to define.
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Perhaps you'd feel differently if you chose objective, non conjecture-based sources of information upon which to base your perspective.
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You mean like healthreform.GOV or TFN(barf) That is why this is, as I stated, a culmination of thoughts, my thoughts, but in the end why I feel the way I do about this bill. Do you think I would be in this debate if I had not at the very least read enough to make a decision as to where my heart lies, I read plenty and there isn’t a whole lot of objective, non-conjecture information out there.
The liberals’ offer nothing either but their own rhetoric and conjecture while they tie my hands and force feed me their crap, it tastes like socialist shit to me, forcing me this way. You don’t have to feel the way I do about this bill. I have read around, from both angles, I don’t like the liberal angle even more that the conservative, ere go, I don't trust this bill, and I intensely dislike this presidency for forcing me to comply with its unconstitutional demands, or mandates if you will.
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Really. Your first link is someone asking to see the actual bill so they can compare it with a shockingly specific list of things supposedly in the bill. If they haven't seen the bill, where did they get this list? I imagine it was pulled out of someone's ass. And yet you present it like it's fact.
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This isn’t the first time we have heard or seen all the “conjectures” listed by this person, I don’t know if it is precisely what is in the bill, but I would think the basic ideas represented must be close or why would they be having such an issue passing something soft.
All I have is what I can find that supports my thinking, as everyone else attempts to support their side and why they chose it. I have been looking PLENTY on both side of the dish, I would love to eat this and be filled with pride in my nation, I would love to swallow this and feel satiated by those who feed me, but right know all I feel is sick and disillusioned not only by my government but by my fellow Americans who consistently tell me to just eat it.
Had I intended to present it as fact, I would not have caveated it with “This is why I FEEL the way I do.” I would have said, Holly Crap Batman, Look what the F**K they are going to force us to do now, read FACTS below.
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And the last part about the lady who has to work multiple jobs is occuring everywhere around the country right now. That means that it isn't an "example of what this change you’ll be paying for will buy you and your neighbors." It's actually an example of the status quo.
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My point, If AFTER they accepted Health care reform in Mass. the state of their constituents is still status quo even 4 years later, tell me how you think this reform is going to help the entire nation then, but no, you’ll willing to bet the farm, or more like just hand it over in hopes that it may be better, all the sudden I don’t feel quite as delusional.
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AMA: The bill "goes a long way" toward assuring access to primary care for patients on Medicaid, the federal-state health program for the poor and disabled, Rohack said. The legislation gives primary care doctors a pay raise for Medicaid patients, increasing payments to the level of Medicare, as it expands Medicaid coverage to more patients in 2013 and 2014.
The bill would provide federal funding to states to cover that increase in Medicaid costs.
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Who do you think will pick up this tab, and why would anybody want to get off Medicaid after this. I mean, the poor will be able to stay on it now until Medicare kicks in. That’s Great. Able bodied poor can not have to work until they are 65 and then they can not have to work, every again, wait they didn’t have to before, awesome, I’ll pay for that, here’s my credit card, I can’t wait to donate my money, no I can’t wait for the government to force me to pay for non-workers, Joy. America is so great. Just think how many people will be coming to live here, and you know what, they won’t have to pay for insurance either, so long as they don’t work. Oh, and as far as that nasty penalty thingy for not paying for your insurance, well, we have this great thing called, yes you all know it, earned income credit, for those who don’t have any money or just didn’t make as much as your neighbor, we are going to pay that silly penalty for you.
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Last I heard, the entire American Medical Association was on board with this thing, and I bet they've spoken with more physicians than Kevin Kennedy.
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Let me update you then;
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Medical societies split from AMA to oppose reform bill
By Jennifer Lubell
Posted: March 20, 2010 - 3:00 pm ET
Several state medical societies have broken ranks with the American Medical Association by opposing sweeping healthcare legislation now before Congress.
The AMA in a teleconference and in a statement March 19 announced its qualified support for the bill, saying the importance of insuring more Americans outweighed any imperfections.
In letter to its congressional delegation, the Texas Medical Association (TMA) failed to agree with the AMA. “We are writing to express our opposition to the health reform bill ... that will be before the U.S. House of Representatives this weekend. Please vote no,” the letter stated.
Among the group's concerns is that the legislation would create a physician payment board, “independent of and not answerable to Congress -- with the authority to unilaterally determine physicians' Medicare payments,” the TMA letter stated. Even if Congress were to fix Medicare's sustainable growth rate formula, this action “could be, and likely would be, ignored by this board,” the letter cautioned.
The TMA also claimed the bill would increase the cost of health insurance for patients and “dramatically enhance federal government interference, bureaucracy, and red tape for patients and physicians.”
Other medical organizations have come out in opposition, including the Medical Association of Georgia. The California Medical Association has expressed reservations similar to those of the TMA, and said it would continue to push for last-minute changes.
And a coalition of 23 surgical and anesthesiology groups sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) March 19, reiterating concerns about the proposed independent advisory board and no solution for a permanent repeal of the SGR.
During the AMA's teleconference, the group's president, J. James Rohack, acknowledged that Congress should “move immediately” to correct problems with the independent advisory board, as well as address Medicare's physician payment issues.
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Oh wait, they SPLIT from the AMA, so I guess you can still say everybody IN the AMA still likes this creepy Bill.
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This debate would be much more productive if instead of just posting whatever random piece of propaganda one came across, they fact checked it themselves. Whoever created that pile of lies was probably counting on people being too lazy to read the bills to realize it.
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Again, I never said it was factual, just where some of my thoughts have come from. I am reasonable, however, and I would love this to be a good thing. I still think the process is unconstitutional, the mandate of it is wrong and that it should be up to the individual state to decide.
I do appreciate the copies of the bill, thank you. Did you find it a healtcarereform.org?
Secretmethod70, I’ll be back about the American Exceptialism, but a note, it’s not about superiority, It’s about unique qualities’ not found previously in a nation, that is all. I am a proud citizen of this great nation, an American patriot, as opposite as can be of a narcissistic snob believing in Americas’ supreme value or its’ superiority on this globe, that I do not believe.
I am angry and I am resentful, about all this garbage, and I will always think this process was fundamentally wrong, but I’m still an American. Now I’m going to go listen to C-span and hear what my country is going to do. I may not approve and I may not like it, but at least I have the freedom to say so. I truly pray there is no violence that stems from this, but I too fear there may be those who lack that form of self-control, God help us.