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Originally Posted by Willravel
Data, pure and dispassionate data. This is a fall others have made before us and jumping off this particular ledge has without exception been fruitful, certainly more fruitful than the ledge we're falling off now. This isn't about hope or ideology, this is about success rates. Single-payer and even nationalized health systems in industrialized countries are higher in quality and lower in cost than private systems like the one people in the US under 65 have. This has been established countless times across dozens of threads here on TFP.
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Oh that heartless logic! Let's not let problem solving get in the way of solving problems. It's heartless to imagine that we stoop to using problem solving techniques, honest accounting principles, and responsibility to actually solve anything. It's all about the team and how it feels.
Show me the official statement of "the problem" regarding health care. If there is one, then I want to see how they broke each issue down, analyzed, defined solutions with success criteria, and how to execute the specific measures. If I've missed that anywhere, then I'll reverse my opinion.
To acknowledge that there are problems is not dispassionate. I believe there are problems with a variety of factors related to "health care" costs. However, I want them detailed and documented. If government is not up to accountability, how can I be assured of their competency or sincerity.
Who is it that "fell" before us? Most likely more political tools who sold us all another one-size-fits-all, chicken-in-every-pot, pie-in-the-sky solution full of villains, victims and saints. Success rates for what? What are you measuring in these comparisons? The debate is plenty here and everywhere, but aren't you at least curious about what exactly is wrong? What is right about it? Do you believe we shouldn't attempt to fix the bad things first rather than encumber everyone with this giant albatross? There are far more unknowns in this legislation (for me) to accept it as a responsible solution.
If you want to get rid of a fly, dynamite is generally considered overkill... unless you just like blowin' stuff up. Perhaps this is more about blowin' stuff up.