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roachboy · 03-17-2010, 03:26 AM

idyllic...you can believe whatever you like. it's fine. this is a debate.

but i don't think you know what the enlighenment was beyond a wikipedia level. for example, there's a long debate about how to position the french revolution with respect to it. if you position the french revolution as coming out of enlightenment ideas---even as there is a real problem with this notion of the enlightenment being one thing, such that some fine morning in the early 18th century a couple dudes in scotland woke up thinking "you know, maybe there is no need for this god character to explain natural phenomena" and suddenly everything changed, a kind of mobile facepalm moment having been set abroad in the land---anyway, if you position the french revolution as an expression of enlightenment ideas, then you have to put the american revolution in line with all of them and not make some silly distinction between what thinkin fellers like voltaire said (dont get me wrong, i like voltaire) and what "men of action" like jefferson said or did. the american revolution was both a cause (in triggering the bond default that triggered the aristocratic revolt that set things into motion in 1787) and an inspiration (for things like the revolutionaries themselves, for the declaration of the rights of man, for the way they proceeded)....

which means that you cannot simply erase jefferson.
and you really cannot erase him and replace him with a string of reactionaries.
not if coherence is a criterion.
but hey, this is texas and these are conservatives. so who really cares?

i'm not debating your kinda arbitrary notion of what sociology is. it's early in the morning, the sun is out and i'm in a decent mood. kinda like what happened with those scottich dudes that explains how Enlightenment suddenly appeared as a Thing. whatever.

and this is a textbook bidness. the extent to which a textbook gets caught is probably a function of the budget of the school district which would determine what real information can be procured for the students to read. textbooks are best as expensive coasters and doorstops.

so naturally this disinformation will probably disproportionately be inflicted on kids in poorer school districts. it's the conservative way.

03-17-2010, 03:26 AM	#67 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	idyllic...you can believe whatever you like. it's fine. this is a debate. but i don't think you know what the enlighenment was beyond a wikipedia level. for example, there's a long debate about how to position the french revolution with respect to it. if you position the french revolution as coming out of enlightenment ideas---even as there is a real problem with this notion of the enlightenment being one thing, such that some fine morning in the early 18th century a couple dudes in scotland woke up thinking "you know, maybe there is no need for this god character to explain natural phenomena" and suddenly everything changed, a kind of mobile facepalm moment having been set abroad in the land---anyway, if you position the french revolution as an expression of enlightenment ideas, then you have to put the american revolution in line with all of them and not make some silly distinction between what thinkin fellers like voltaire said (dont get me wrong, i like voltaire) and what "men of action" like jefferson said or did. the american revolution was both a cause (in triggering the bond default that triggered the aristocratic revolt that set things into motion in 1787) and an inspiration (for things like the revolutionaries themselves, for the declaration of the rights of man, for the way they proceeded).... which means that you cannot simply erase jefferson. and you really cannot erase him and replace him with a string of reactionaries. not if coherence is a criterion. but hey, this is texas and these are conservatives. so who really cares? i'm not debating your kinda arbitrary notion of what sociology is. it's early in the morning, the sun is out and i'm in a decent mood. kinda like what happened with those scottich dudes that explains how Enlightenment suddenly appeared as a Thing. whatever. and this is a textbook bidness. the extent to which a textbook gets caught is probably a function of the budget of the school district which would determine what real information can be procured for the students to read. textbooks are best as expensive coasters and doorstops. so naturally this disinformation will probably disproportionately be inflicted on kids in poorer school districts. it's the conservative way. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 03-17-2010 at 03:29 AM..