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Originally Posted by dc_dux
How far should those individual rights extend?
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From the point where your property begins to the point it ends.
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Should you have a right to operate an eating establishment w/o meeting food service health and safety standards?
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This is proven over and over to be a myth. Places fail their inspections all the time and stay open. It is the consumer that decides.
If I know a place has several health code violations, I won't eat there. I can go elsewhere. No one forces me to eat there.
If I get sick and can prove that it was negligence, then I can take the case to a CIVIL lawyer and sue.
Other than fining and making public records that restaurant "A" does not meet codes, it is not government's responsibility.
I am all for protecting the consumer, but we have taken it too far. There comes a point where people need to think for themselves and investigate/educate themselves on their choices. We cannot keep expecting government to do it for us. That just leads to rights being called "privileges" and being taken away. When this happens we are no longer a free society with personal consequences for our choices, we become a society with no choices thus no consequences to learn and grow from.
We become reliant solely on what government dictates to us as being right and wrong and we have no freewill.
Sorry. I'll accept personal consequences for my actions, rather than have government dictate to me my actions.
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Should you have a right to determine who can and cannot eat in your establishment?
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Yes, it is called a sign that says "management reserves the right to service".
It is not a criminal case but a civil law point.
If I own a restaurant and decide not to serve people who like Country music, having a sign posted and you come in wearing a Tim McGraw t-shirt. I can refuse you service. I don't have to have a reason to refuse you service.
It then becomes a public issue. If the public says, "Pan, you are an idiot and we are not going to give you business because you discriminate." Then, my wallet is affected and I go out of business for MY PERSONAL CHOICE. Consequence to my actions.
Now should government have the right to come in and dictate to me that I must serve people who like country music? NO. IT IS NOT THEIR BUSINESS TO TELL ME WHO TO SERVE.
If you want to use this and coma at me with "civil rights" go ahead. But again, I believe a "PRIVATELY OWNED" business has the right to serve whoever they wish and to not serve whoever they wish and the public can decide whether that place should stay open or not.