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Originally Posted by dksuddeth
total strawman. murder and fraud can't even come close to the comparison of making smoking in the establishment illegal.
using this argument, public health and safety, you'd better be hiring 5 million more cops and outlawing every single thing that's dangerous, including toothpicks.
i'm actually getting real sick and tired of advocating every regulation for public health and safety. It's just another progressive method of controlling the populace. It's absolute insanity to push for this kind of totalitarianism.
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Quoted for truth!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Pearl Trade
The vote indirectly matters, as YOU vote for who YOU want in office that represents what YOU want.
Like Baraka said, those laws are put in place to protect the customers and anyone who chooses to do business with them. Of course, you can choose who you do business with, but they can't just let the owners have free will to do whatever they want. Private business to provide a service to the public. Protect the public.
I have no say in the matter about smoking/non smoking, I just look at this as a business/law type topic. I do, however, agree with the theory of letting an owner choose whether to allow smoking or not. At least give him the opportunity to designate an area.
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Yours makes the most sense and I'm extremely in agreement with you.
The arguments of child labor, safety, etc are all bullshit. This is about SMOKING. It is a LEGAL substance that communities, states and even the Feds tax the Hell out of to support their programs, stadiums, etc. Local and state government COULD NOT SPEND nearly what they do without "the sin taxes". In fact some areas are crying because smoking is actually going down and thus that tax revenue is shrinking and they don't know where to find the money for programs.
My feeling is if you don't like smoking vote to make it illegal and before such vote... don't use ANYTHING supported with tobacco tax money, see how easy it is and how much YOU NEED smokers.
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Originally Posted by ASU2003
It's because before the ban there were 0 non-smoking bars. Customers were not given a choice. And getting a liquor license here isn't easy to take a risk starting a smoke-free bar.
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That's not true. I have known several bars that tried to go non smoking but financially could not make it.
Here in Canton where every restaurant and bar had to have separate ventilation, paid for by THEM. A bar owner tried to follow the law, spent a lot of money making it happen and when the ban passed business plummeted and they could not afford the payments on the "separate" ventilation systems and were forced to close down. There are several other bars and private clubs that are also hurting financially because of this reason.