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Originally Posted by Derwood
dksuddeth isn't arguing reality, he's arguing what he thinks SHOULD be reality (per his perception of the framers' intentions). To him, you SHOULD be able to carry a gun into all of those places.
You're arguing two different things
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i've constantly made the distinction between what the constitution was written to be and what it is currently being tortured as. I'm fully aware that current reality has the government and courts restricting rights as THEY feel they should be. I'm also intelligent enough to be able to read plain text of documents as they are written and know that todays practices are not what the founders created for us. I'm also cognizant of the sheeples (yes, that's all of you who accept reasonable restrictions on your rights) willingness to surrender everyones freedoms for their own perception of safety in society. What I can't understand is the inability of that same group of sheeple to see that the government is going to look out for itself first, then maybe think of protecting you. But I guess there's no making a horse drink if you lead it to water.
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Originally Posted by Derwood
It's the exact same process as the ratification of the Constitution THAT YOU JUST POSTED.
How is a group of elected representatives passing laws that interpret and define my rights ANY DIFFERENT than a group of selected representatives vetting the Constitution and ratifying it?
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no, its not. your ignorance is showing.
when congress passes laws, they do not take the proposed law to the people of their districts and ask how they should vote, they just say aye or nay. The constitution was much different. If you're not going to learn what I teach you about the history of it, at least go take a class on it.
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Originally Posted by ratbastid
Here's the real tragedy. This statement is THE key to the whole thing, and it's going to make a great WHOOOOOOSHING noise as it goes over the heads of natural law believers, on this thread and elsewhere.
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the real tragedy is that you actually believe that bullshit. it's putting the cart before the horse. keep on believing that the government created your freedom, I could care less, especially if you're unwilling to believe the truth. That's what statism is about though.