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Old 01-24-2010, 09:46 AM   #59 (permalink)
dippin
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Originally Posted by pan6467 View Post
You mean this?

Table A-12. Alternative measures of labor underutilization

And I asked you what the numbers were before and after... you didn't give them let me.

Dec. '08 13.5

Dec. '09 17.1

Hmmmmm a gain when supposedly the stiumulus was putting people back to work.

This is how they get that U6 number



Now, the funny thing is, no one I know has ever been asked if they are looking for a job or not. Nor has anyone I know been asked if they are part time looking for full time. Nor, does it say ANYTHING about those having lost jobs making less at a new on. Again, it does not include self employed or independent contractors who do not pay into unemployment and are now unemployed, making far less while working the same or more hours or working for less due to hours cut or lack of business. Or those plumbers, contractors I know that are doing jobs and getting bad checks and losing money due to having paid for supplies. Courts can't force someone who has no money to pay, they can try, but in the end it just destroys their credit while the plumber/roofer/etc loses money they need.


So, yeah the U6 number is a good government number that means dick and is easily manipulated.

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Yeah, that pretty much says it all there.

It is called "sampling," and I find it ridiculously funny that you talk about the manipulation of the BLS survey, which has a sample size of 60000, and then proceed to make a point using a gallup poll, with it's sample size of ~1000.


As far as his job approval goes, sure, he has let down a number of people. But his decline in popularity is not unprecedented, nor is it notable, given the size of the recession:

Obama's job approval vs Reagan's:


In fact, let's look at other recent presidents:

Presidential Approval Ratings from 1945-2008

So Obama is doing better than Truman, Ford, Carter and Clinton, and just as well as Reagan. And he is doing worse than Bush I and II, Nixon, LBJ, Kennedy and Eisenhower.
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