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Old 01-13-2010, 08:59 PM   #39 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by dippin View Post
Isn't the challenge based precisely on option number 1? So what is your problem with it?
I really have no problem with it. I have problems with the attitudes like the ones I quoted above.

I also don't think you take something a majority voted for and throw darts and trying to find the law's "unconstitutionality".

I would like to know since the state Supreme Court found it constitutional under Cali. law, then what is the argument they take before the US Court? What part of the US Constitution does it violate?

If you are just taking it to the court because you don't like the result and you feel the majority are just a bunch of idiots and you know better.... then maybe you should reexamine what you truly are wanting and why.

I think courts should be the very last thing you attempt. The first is educating the voters and trying to get a new prop voted. Going to the courts first and expecting them to overturn because you know they will agree with you because the majority is ignorant and wrong... is nothing more than self righteous bullshit.

See, the difference between a true patriotic believer in the system and freedom OF ALL PEOPLE and the people claiming they want freedom but only on their terms, is the belief that, yes, the majority may make some mistakes when voting but education, determination and hard work showing the voters respect all the way through. Those that believe only they know what is best will go to courts and surrender rights and disregard the majority's will as that of ignorance and stupidity and so on.

True freedom means accepting others beliefs, rights and their opinions.

Again, 10-20-30 years ago Prop 8 never would have existed.... getting it on the ballot is an advance in the right direction. Taking it to court and disrespecting the majority because they didn't vote your way.... is the wrong way to try to advance further. Educate, respect and do the footwork and maybe in 1,2, 3 years you'll get the votes you need to overturn it.
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