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Old 01-13-2010, 04:18 PM   #32 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by Willravel View Post
¿Who did you vote for in 2008?
Obama... didn't like either candidate but felt maybe Obama could do a better job. I was wrong... should have voted 3rd party.

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru View Post
The reason why the majority of people can have their voices heard today is because of decisions to instill and uphold basic voting rights for women and non-whites. These were people who previously didn't have a "voice." If they only ever listened to the majority of those who did have a voice at that time, women and non-whites today would possibly have no role in any of this.

There are sometimes moral/civil/social problems when you only listen to the majority of those with a voice.
Yes, and the people have allowed CONSTITUTIONAL rights to be made.

Don't give me the BS about the past. This is the present. Prop 8 passed... the majority voted for it... you have 3 options

1) find it unconstitutional

2) put up a prop that would reverse prop 8 and let the majority decide

3) work on changing the state's constitution

That's it... anything else is bullshit, losers whining. Prohibition was enacted and repealed, gambling in most staets where it is now legal was outlawed and voted back in.... voters change their minds, mostly when they see that the law passed doesn't work. It's a trial and error thing and since we are all fucking human and make mistakes laws are passed that aren't fair... but people fight to make them right and find ways to repeal them or change them.

Hell, look at the progress now, 10-20 years ago prop 8 may never have even MADE the ballot... work to change it by educating the voters.... don't degrade them for voting the way they did, they'll take umbrage dig in and never change. Educate, show them what Prop 8 is truly about and let them decide again.

Nothing pisses me off more than self righteous ignorant people who believe they know better than the electorate and thus must take what the majority passed to court costing MILLIONS of dollars and opening doors for more government control... when simple education and a little hard work may get the issue passed in the next election or a subsequent election.

But those are the people that want what they want right fucking now and fuck everyone else because only they know what's best... fuck that b.s.

It took Ohio almost 10 years to finally vote in gambling... but they kept trying until they found a way to pass it. Same in some states with smoking laws, etc.

You don't want to do the hard work.... you want government to to do it for you.
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