View Single Post
Old 12-16-2009, 03:59 PM   #62 (permalink)
dippin
Crazy, indeed
 
Location: the ether
Quote:
Originally Posted by loquitur View Post
Dippin, your graphs are beside the point. I dind't say the rich are paying higher marginal rates now, I said that the progressivity of the taxes actually paid is higher now than at any time in history. and it's absolutely the case that more of the total tax burden is borne by the rich today than ever was the case in history. That's progressivity. Increasing the share of taxes paid by the rich will aggravate a situation in which you have a citizenry divided into those who benefit from govt without paying much if anything for it, and those who do pay. It's not healthy for society to create a class of moochers and then expect others to pay for it. That'll work to some extent if the tax burden isn't that big, but watch what happens when you raise it.

Your complaint is that the rich have more money to begin with. Well, yes, that's a tautology. It's also why they'd pay more taxes even with a flat tax. But that has nothing to do with progressivity.
I think that the source of your confusion is that you have a mistaken idea about progressive taxation is.

Progressive taxation is not the rich paying more. It is the rich paying more in proportion to their income. And what all those graphs show is precisely that.

The share of their income the rich pay in taxes is at its lowest point in over half a century.

The fact that the rich pay a higher share of the total taxes right now is explained by the fact that they have a much higher share of income. Even with linear taxation that would be the same.

Edit: And I think you read the graphs wrong. Only the first one is the effective tax rate. The rest are the share of income paid in taxes.

Last edited by dippin; 12-16-2009 at 04:38 PM..
dippin is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73