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Originally Posted by dippin
Talk about faulty logic. You don't need evidence that water vapor is a constant. You just need evidence that it is independent from CO2.
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If water vapor is independent from CO2 doesn't that make water vapor a constant relative to CO2? I agree that is is possible that relative to other factors that both CO2 and water vapor may be variables. But I think the base question is how these factors interact with each other.
I write as I think and I feel being brief in a forum like this is important, don't mistake imprecision in my words, or the limitations in my writing skills for faulty logic. I try to seek clarification before making certain assumptions here. On a side note I am amazed by the opposition I get when simply trying to seek clarification, I don't take questions personally and I actually enjoy the give and take of questions.
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As long as reducing CO2 doesn't directly lead to an increase in the other gases, a reduction in CO2 will reduce temperatures relative to that which would have been in case the reduction didn't take place.
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This assumes other factors not related to the atmosphere don't have a bigger impact than greenhouse gasses. If we are making that assumption, why and what is the basis?
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And so far, there is absolutely no evidence that a reduction in CO2 actually increases water vapor. Quite the opposite. Which is in fact where part of the feedback loop comes in.
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What is the opposite? Are you saying a reduction in CO2 decreases water vapor? Are you saying a reduction in water vapor increases CO2? Are you saying they are independent of each other? I am saying we don't know or I simply have not seen the unqualified proof. Again, in my mind there is nothing wrong with scientist standing up and answering questions. They need to stop with the "just trust us" line or "it is settled", or you are simply an idiot if you challenge their assumptions b.s..
It is not clear to me where you stand on the issue. Do you hold Al Gore's position, that this issue is settled and no more questions be asked?