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If there are indeed monsters fueling hatred and ignorance, perhaps those who promote the irresponsible fantasy of some "Great Tea-bagger Menace" should take a hard look in the mirror. How are your voices are any less dangerous? "Light them torches and throw a rope over a tree branch… we gonna hang us some tea-baggers tonight!"
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Only that's not what happened. If this is a case of suicide, which is a possibility, it's a very elaborate ruse indeed. His timing coinciding quite well with Bachmann's well publicized attack on the census and the
recent conservative-
related killings, not to mention the fact that it's becoming common practice on Fox News to basically
trying to incite violence. My assumptions did not happen in a vacuum like, say, supposing "Obamacare" would lead to Nazism. Let's not pretend that my hypothesis was somehow baseless.
What surprised me was the unwillingness to admit that it was even a possibility, though. I wasn't asking for certainty, not even I had that, but an admittance that it was possible this was some very sick individuals that were motivated in some way by hate-filled rhetoric.
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The purpose of the OP was blatantly divisive. The author assumed he must insert his propaanda in an undeveloped breaking story. How could he pass up the opportunity to exploit a mysterious death of an innocent civil servant set in the back-woods of Kentucky? ... Yellow journalism is alive and well.
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The "yellow-journalism" started in Bill Sparkman's chest and you know it. If this is just an elaborate red herring, it was not started by the likes of me or Andrew Sullivan, it was hatched in the mind of Mr. Sparks. If that was the case, and I still can't imagine how anyone can be certain at this point, then I'll admit I was fooled, but for good reason.
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After all, the letters F E D were carved in the poor man's chest... CARVED I TELL YOU! (oh sorry, it was from a felt-tip pen).
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Yes, I was wrong about that. Fortunately, I've repeatedly pointed out that I was wrong about.
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And don't most of those gun-lovin religious nuts who wield their tea-bags all willy-nilly, running amok and possibly potentially maybe might-be some-day killing future probable persons by the thousands… wait !... could be MILLIONS!… don't THEY come from places like Kentucky? Of course they do! It makes perfect sense... just like creating and saving jobs. It all makes perfect sense.
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The problem with your sarcastic conclusions are that the facts did point in a specific direction. And no one ever said anything about religion, that has nothing to do with this.
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And BTW – what does Beck and Bachmann have to do with any of this?
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Appearing on Fox News, Bachmann said it was the census that allowed the internment of the Japanese during World War II. She also boasted about breaking the law in refusing to complete the census form she received.
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Representative Bachmann went on to the most popular conservative television show to an audience that for the most part listens to her opinions and suggested that census workers are trying to put people in concentration camps. These ideas were repeated by Bachmann supporters. Less than three months later, a census worker was found hanged with "FED" written on his chest. It was never conclusive, but it wasn't just compelling but it fit with the pattern of recent killings of an abortion doctor, members of a highly progressive church, the shoot-up of a holocaust museum, and that kid that shot at the police because he was convinced that the president was trying to take his guns. All of these people had one thing in common: they were avid Fox News watchers that ended up committing lethal crimes based on their conservative belief systems.
I never suggested it was an air-tight case, but the fact that the Becks and Bachmanns have been stirring up this idea of revolution by pushing absolute bullshit nightmare scenarios on their supporters very well could motivate something like this, to give direction to someone's sickness.
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Exactly which deaths are they responsible for? Produce the evidence. It's simply not there. I’d rather hear you explain why your inflammatory speech is less threatening than those you wish to silence. From the tone of this discussion, I’d say more.
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Do you really think Dr. Tiller would be dead without the hate speech from people like Limbaugh, ORly, Beck, and Hannity? It's about inciting, baiting, and pointing the crazies in just the wrong direction.
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Perhaps if this was the 1940's, and I was a Japanese-American citizen, and ... Golly, I need to stop my whining! The suspension of their collective rights as United States citizens was justified because they looked like real Japanese and (at least) a historically substantiated event demonstrated that lots of genuine Japanese really did kill several non-imaginary Americans at the actual un-fake place called Pearl Harbor.
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Bachmann told a lie wrapped up in hyperbole and fear mongering about how the census would lead people to be interned like the Japanese were during WWII. That kind of trash appears every day on Fox News.